SFAXE93 said:

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UIW SPORTS

FOOTBALL - SOLID
BASEBALL - SOLID
MEN'S BASKETBALL - 5 straight losing seasons
WOMEN'S BASKETBALL - 8 straight losing seasons
WOMEN'S SOCCER - 6 straight losing seasons until 2021.
SOFTBALL - 8 straight losing seasons
VOLLEYBALL - 12 straight losing seasons

Pretty much taking the role of departing Chicago State.

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What about those fencing and artistic swimming teams?

BigJack85 said:

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Disappointing move. I'm sure the logic is to have teams that can move to FBS or have the desire to move to FBS. UIW has shown zero commitment ($$$) that is visible. No fan support. A few family members travel. Silly really. Silly. Better to make a bold move. Grab a Central Ok or someone with a little interest in being in the conference (fans).

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But, but, but … they made commitments to the conference. What could go wrong?

It gets the WAC an AQ for football next season. (Short term thinking at best.)

I mean, same can be said for football. They're good now. But they've been irrelevant every year up until 2019.

UIW KenPom rating in basketball--353 of 358.

The conference was suppose to get better with the exit of Chicago State.

Watching GCU and North Florida. GCU has got it together. The broadcast is as good as any, and the place is completely rocking. That's got to be a great place to play.

SFAJack_76 said:

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BigJack85 said:

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Disappointing move. I'm sure the logic is to have teams that can move to FBS or have the desire to move to FBS. UIW has shown zero commitment ($$$) that is visible. No fan support. A few family members travel. Silly really. Silly. Better to make a bold move. Grab a Central Ok or someone with a little interest in being in the conference (fans).

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But, but, but … they made commitments to the conference. What could go wrong?

It gets the WAC an AQ for football next season. (Short term thinking at best.)

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I'd really like to hear who at the WAC was championing this.

If we're gonna take a terrible program, atleast HBU is a short drive.

TallTexan said:

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SFAJack_76 said:

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BigJack85 said:

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Disappointing move. I'm sure the logic is to have teams that can move to FBS or have the desire to move to FBS. UIW has shown zero commitment ($$$) that is visible. No fan support. A few family members travel. Silly really. Silly. Better to make a bold move. Grab a Central Ok or someone with a little interest in being in the conference (fans).

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But, but, but … they made commitments to the conference. What could go wrong?

It gets the WAC an AQ for football next season. (Short term thinking at best.)

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I'd really like to hear who at the WAC was championing this.

If we're gonna take a terrible program, atleast HBU is a short drive.

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I heard that UIW rolled out the big guys, and made an excellent presentation to the WAC board in September. Better than what McNeese did. That piqued interest from those that didn't know them. Also heard that toward the end of negotiations, they asked for more from the WAC, and were told no. Take it or leave it. Since the SLC has given McNeese just about everything, that had to be a no brainer decision for UIW. Hope that someday we get to see the details of the "commitments" they made to the conference.

I hate the move, but it's done.

TallTexan said:

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SFAJack_76 said:

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BigJack85 said:

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Disappointing move. I'm sure the logic is to have teams that can move to FBS or have the desire to move to FBS. UIW has shown zero commitment ($$$) that is visible. No fan support. A few family members travel. Silly really. Silly. Better to make a bold move. Grab a Central Ok or someone with a little interest in being in the conference (fans).

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But, but, but … they made commitments to the conference. What could go wrong?

It gets the WAC an AQ for football next season. (Short term thinking at best.)

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I'd really like to hear who at the WAC was championing this.

If we're gonna take a terrible program, atleast HBU is a short drive.

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I was fine with SFA joining the WAC. Now I just wish we would leave. This whole UIW situation has left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

I'm just gonna support our teams at this point. We have no control in what conf we are in or who they allow or don't allow in ....so, imma show up, be loud, and let the chips fall where they may. I don't like it (UIW to Wac) one bit, but it is what it is. #AxeEm

djsfw57 said:

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TallTexan said:

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SFAJack_76 said:

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BigJack85 said:

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Disappointing move. I'm sure the logic is to have teams that can move to FBS or have the desire to move to FBS. UIW has shown zero commitment ($$$) that is visible. No fan support. A few family members travel. Silly really. Silly. Better to make a bold move. Grab a Central Ok or someone with a little interest in being in the conference (fans).

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But, but, but … they made commitments to the conference. What could go wrong?

It gets the WAC an AQ for football next season. (Short term thinking at best.)

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I'd really like to hear who at the WAC was championing this.

If we're gonna take a terrible program, atleast HBU is a short drive.

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I was fine with SFA joining the WAC. Now I just wish we would leave. This whole UIW situation has left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

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I agree. Bitter. Very bitter. At this point we have to do what we are going to do. We are positioned to be a force in WAC football. Only Tarleton and ACU should be challengers. We are stacked for next year. SFA makes a statement in 2022.

My hope is that UIW makes an investment in facilities. Specifically football. Additionally, they (UIW) need to get more than 1800 fans to a game.

The best crowd UIW had this season…. Against #6 UIW 3200 fans. Really. 3200. If that's the high water mark??????

6570 fans in Huntsville for a ranked matchup and fight for the auto-bid of the AQ7.

In a state where football is king, I simply can't understand what's gone wrong at Sam that they're drawing fans like a 3-7 OVC school.

They are a commuter school, plain and simple, the students who go there, are not there to watch sports.

TallTexan said:

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6570 fans in Huntsville for a ranked matchup and fight for the auto-bid of the AQ7.

In a state where football is king, I simply can't understand what's gone wrong at Sam that they're drawing fans like a 3-7 OVC school.

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Ton of reasons why
It is pretty amazing to watch 18k show up at NRG
Then to not be able to draw at home consistent 10k
The AD office gave all season ticket holders replica rings this past Saturday it was a nice touch

Kat1990 said:

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TallTexan said:

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6570 fans in Huntsville for a ranked matchup and fight for the auto-bid of the AQ7.

In a state where football is king, I simply can't understand what's gone wrong at Sam that they're drawing fans like a 3-7 OVC school.

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Ton of reasons why
It is pretty amazing to watch 18k show up at NRG
Then to not be able to draw at home consistent 10k
The AD office gave all season ticket holders replica rings this past Saturday it was a nice touch

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I bet all 7 of you were very excited

SFA_03 said:

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TallTexan said:

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6570 fans in Huntsville for a ranked matchup and fight for the auto-bid of the AQ7.

In a state where football is king, I simply can't understand what's gone wrong at Sam that they're drawing fans like a 3-7 OVC school.

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I think their proximity to much larger sports markets really hurts them. Houston and A&M are easily close enough for them to go watch those games and even then most of their student body I would be willing to bet are from the Houston/college station areas, so I'm sure their allegiances are already made.

SFA has the benefit of being so far away from everything we really don't have to worry about that, hence why we traditionally have larger home crowds even in football where Sam has had our number.

That's not a knock on Sam, it's just an unfortunate geographic fact for them.

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One of the reasons I believe SFA and FBS are a natural fit. Just like LaTech and FBS. Solid bonafides in a bunch of sports. It's not even an upset when LaTech beats a Power 5 squad. That's what we should strive for imho.

TallTexan said:

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Kat1990 said:

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TallTexan said:

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6570 fans in Huntsville for a ranked matchup and fight for the auto-bid of the AQ7.

In a state where football is king, I simply can't understand what's gone wrong at Sam that they're drawing fans like a 3-7 OVC school.

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Ton of reasons why
It is pretty amazing to watch 18k show up at NRG
Then to not be able to draw at home consistent 10k
The AD office gave all season ticket holders replica rings this past Saturday it was a nice touch

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I bet all 7 of you were very excited

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Many more than that season ticket holders are not really one of the issues

Not really a spot for this, so will put it here where we've been watching other conference changes.

Sources tell @CBSSports the Missouri Valley — which is losing Loyola Chicago next year — has been in deep discussions with Murray State, UT Arlington and Kansas City to join the league. Details: https://t.co/ftza0SX2Q6

— Matt Norlander (@MattNorlander) November 16, 2021

Hurd confirms that they had to add UIW after NMSU & Sam left.





Also mentions that the "san antonio market is great".

TallTexan said:

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Hurd confirms that they had to add UIW after NMSU & Sam left.

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I heard him say it was a factor, not that they "had to." The key is the teeth in the commitments. What they are, and timeline to complete. Hurd saying to look back in five years matches with some rumble I have picked up about time to make meaningful, measurable progress. Caleb certainly made him dance in responding to his questions.

SFAJack_76 said:

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TallTexan said:

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Hurd confirms that they had to add UIW after NMSU & Sam left.

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I heard him say it was a factor, not that they "had to." The key is the teeth in the commitments. What they are, and timeline to complete. Hurd saying to look back in five years matches with some rumble I have picked up about time to make meaningful, measurable progress. Caleb certainly made him dance in responding to his questions.

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Ya Caleb did a great job.

Honestly, for the sake of our fans and theirs, they should be open about what those commitments are. That way they can be held to them.

TallTexan said:

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Honestly, for the sake of our fans and theirs, they should be open about what those commitments are. That way they can be held to them.

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I think there would be value to UIW to be open about the master plan. That should generate some excitement around the school.

Only way UIW is apart of the FBS plan is if they decide to cohabit the AlamoDome with UTSA. If they are successful the fans will come. Before UTSA started having their success the city of San Antonio could care less about the Roadrunners with UT an hour away.
Now that UTSA is good they have a huge fan base.

PurpleOut said:

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SFA_03 said:

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Only way UIW is apart of the FBS plan is if they decide to cohabit the AlamoDome with UTSA. If they are successful the fans will come. Before UTSA started having their success the city of San Antonio could care less about the Roadrunners with UT an hour away.
Now that UTSA is good they have a huge fan base.

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UTSA has almost 35,000 students. UIW has under 8,000.

UIW doesn't have the fans, the facilities, or anything to deserve this move in my opinion. But again, that's just my opinion. We'll see how it goes.

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Just over 5,000 students at the Broadway campus where the athletic "facilities" are.

Good article on what may be coming

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/with-ncaa-constitution-changing-will-powerful-college-football-teams-effort-to-formally-divide-fbs/

Kat1990 said:

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Good article on what may be coming

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/with-ncaa-constitution-changing-will-powerful-college-football-teams-effort-to-formally-divide-fbs/

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A split has been long speculated and personally, I hope it looks like a 32 team premier league when it happens. Then everyone else can play in an FCS style playoff and in 20 years it will be the predominant league that is most prestiguous.

But let's say we're being generous on the split. Which teams have any business in Texas playing the highest level college football? A&M & UT for sure. Tech, TCU if we're being realistic, and Baylor, SMU, & Houston if we're being generous.

So who does that leave:

Rice, UTSA, UNT, UTEP, TX State, SFA, Sam, ACU, Tarleton, etc. Why shouldn't we all be playing each other in a bus league?

Split FBS in half, pair the other half with the top half of FCS, and then let's all find a TV partner willing to grow the game with our 24 team playoffs and regionalized leagues.

PurpleOut said:

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Similar, and I may be in the minority, but I love relegation style leagues. Which I think America should adopt more.

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Oh man, that'd be fun. I don't see it ever happening, but it'd be fun as heck for college sports.