MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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nacluth said:

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Not disputing that the players shouldn't go find new teams, but I feel sad that besides Jossell, probably no one is making a "step up" in going to a more competitive team.

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Ya. This is the biggest point. The statistics don't lie. 70% of these guys will be lucky to get more than "role player" time at a D1 school that is competitive. All but Jossell will end up at a D2 or riding the bench with little chance to develop. It's short sighted and the big boys of college athletics love it.


A couple of the guys on the list (that haven't gone into the portal "yet") could help us. We still need a few JUCO studs or transfers that can shoot…. Trying to remain optimistic.

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In other words: "These guys would rather ride the pine at a big school or play D2 than play for this program anymore."

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for our coach and program.

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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nacluth said:

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Not disputing that the players shouldn't go find new teams, but I feel sad that besides Jossell, probably no one is making a "step up" in going to a more competitive team.

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Ya. This is the biggest point. The statistics don't lie. 70% of these guys will be lucky to get more than "role player" time at a D1 school that is competitive. All but Jossell will end up at a D2 or riding the bench with little chance to develop. It's short sighted and the big boys of college athletics love it.


A couple of the guys on the list (that haven't gone into the portal "yet") could help us. We still need a few JUCO studs or transfers that can shoot…. Trying to remain optimistic.

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In other words: "These guys would rather ride the pine at a big school or play D2 than play for this program anymore."

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for our coach and program.

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Not sure that's the case …. Rick Cabrera over at NWST had 6 seasons at the JUCO level as HC. Every year he was winning 22, 30, 25 games a season. 6 years in a row. He moves over to NWST and all of the sudden he's a piece of **** coach because he loses guys in the portal (8 to be exact). I don't get how all the peanut gallery can look at one season and draw vast conclusions ….

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This is a message board for a middling mid-major basketball program...Vast conclusions based on small sample sizes is exactly what we are supposed to be drawing.

Also, Rick Cabrera has been there less than a year, it makes total sense for him to let players walk/have them leave as he builds the program the way he envisions it.

We're entering year 9 of Keller and the program vision is.....?

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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nacluth said:

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Not disputing that the players shouldn't go find new teams, but I feel sad that besides Jossell, probably no one is making a "step up" in going to a more competitive team.

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Ya. This is the biggest point. The statistics don't lie. 70% of these guys will be lucky to get more than "role player" time at a D1 school that is competitive. All but Jossell will end up at a D2 or riding the bench with little chance to develop. It's short sighted and the big boys of college athletics love it.


A couple of the guys on the list (that haven't gone into the portal "yet") could help us. We still need a few JUCO studs or transfers that can shoot…. Trying to remain optimistic.

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In other words: "These guys would rather ride the pine at a big school or play D2 than play for this program anymore."

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for our coach and program.

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Not sure that's the case …. Rick Cabrera over at NWST had 6 seasons at the JUCO level as HC. Every year he was winning 22, 30, 25 games a season. 6 years in a row. He moves over to NWST and all of the sudden he's a piece of **** coach because he loses guys in the portal (8 to be exact). I don't get how all the peanut gallery can look at one season and draw vast conclusions ….

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This is a message board for a middling mid-major basketball program...Vast conclusions based on small sample sizes is exactly what we are supposed to be drawing.

Also, Rick Cabrera has been there less than a year, it makes total sense for him to let players walk/have them leave as he builds the program the way he envisions it.

We're entering year 9 of Keller and the program vision is.....?

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If year 9 sucks, the vision will be over.

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TallTexan said:

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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nacluth said:

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Not disputing that the players shouldn't go find new teams, but I feel sad that besides Jossell, probably no one is making a "step up" in going to a more competitive team.

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Ya. This is the biggest point. The statistics don't lie. 70% of these guys will be lucky to get more than "role player" time at a D1 school that is competitive. All but Jossell will end up at a D2 or riding the bench with little chance to develop. It's short sighted and the big boys of college athletics love it.


A couple of the guys on the list (that haven't gone into the portal "yet") could help us. We still need a few JUCO studs or transfers that can shoot…. Trying to remain optimistic.

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In other words: "These guys would rather ride the pine at a big school or play D2 than play for this program anymore."

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for our coach and program.

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Not sure that's the case …. Rick Cabrera over at NWST had 6 seasons at the JUCO level as HC. Every year he was winning 22, 30, 25 games a season. 6 years in a row. He moves over to NWST and all of the sudden he's a piece of **** coach because he loses guys in the portal (8 to be exact). I don't get how all the peanut gallery can look at one season and draw vast conclusions ….

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This is a message board for a middling mid-major basketball program...Vast conclusions based on small sample sizes is exactly what we are supposed to be drawing.

Also, Rick Cabrera has been there less than a year, it makes total sense for him to let players walk/have them leave as he builds the program the way he envisions it.

We're entering year 9 of Keller and the program vision is.....?

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If year 9 sucks, the vision will be over.

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Can we afford 350k to get rid of him next year?

I think we're stuck on this train two more seasons.

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MasterAxe said:

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TallTexan said:

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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nacluth said:

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Not disputing that the players shouldn't go find new teams, but I feel sad that besides Jossell, probably no one is making a "step up" in going to a more competitive team.

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Ya. This is the biggest point. The statistics don't lie. 70% of these guys will be lucky to get more than "role player" time at a D1 school that is competitive. All but Jossell will end up at a D2 or riding the bench with little chance to develop. It's short sighted and the big boys of college athletics love it.


A couple of the guys on the list (that haven't gone into the portal "yet") could help us. We still need a few JUCO studs or transfers that can shoot…. Trying to remain optimistic.

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In other words: "These guys would rather ride the pine at a big school or play D2 than play for this program anymore."

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for our coach and program.

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Not sure that's the case …. Rick Cabrera over at NWST had 6 seasons at the JUCO level as HC. Every year he was winning 22, 30, 25 games a season. 6 years in a row. He moves over to NWST and all of the sudden he's a piece of **** coach because he loses guys in the portal (8 to be exact). I don't get how all the peanut gallery can look at one season and draw vast conclusions ….

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This is a message board for a middling mid-major basketball program...Vast conclusions based on small sample sizes is exactly what we are supposed to be drawing.

Also, Rick Cabrera has been there less than a year, it makes total sense for him to let players walk/have them leave as he builds the program the way he envisions it.

We're entering year 9 of Keller and the program vision is.....?

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If year 9 sucks, the vision will be over.

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Can we afford 350k to get rid of him next year?

I think we're stuck on this train two more seasons.

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so this gets to another question I have had, and it's more generally geared to any major budget item: Who has authority on these things?

Does the UT board of regents ultimately have hire/fire spend/don't spend authority? Or, will our local admins (AD/President) have that power?

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SCH890 said:

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All I'm hoping at this point is Keller makes a slam dunk with the Portal after losing all we got (Number Pending). Change the offense type scheme go away with the Press style of play and get some behind the Arc shooters and others who can drive in the paint. It was a beautiful system we had with Kensmill, Roti and David. We did have a occasional PressU style but that wasn't the bread and butter.

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Jacks1989 said:

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I'm just really numb. Shocked. Disappointed. Really don't know what to say. Just freaking sucks. I always try to be positive on this board and stay away from the negative. To me these are young kids that we are cheering on. I have 2 boys that are the same age as the Lumberjacks and I always try to be positive. I wouldn't want anyone talking bad about my boys, but something is really wrong at WRJ. Coach K practically had his whole team walk on him. Why?

Maybe I was raised in a different time and era. I was raised with a code of honor, integrity, values, and your word means something. If I was the coach of this team and this happened to me I would resign. That's all i really have to say.

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MasterAxe said:

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Two former Jacks, Johnathan Aku & Jamil Cofer, playing in NCAA right now.

They've led Grambling back from a 12 point deficit, currently up 2 on Montana State

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"It's what March is made of, baby. You gotta find a way to fight, stay in the game, and have that one last run."

- Grambling State coach Donte' Johnson to @JonRothstein pic.twitter.com/iN6k5xifhF

— CBS Sports College Basketball 🏀 (@CBSSportsCBB) March 21, 2024

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MasterAxe said:

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Two former Jacks, Johnathan Aku & Jamil Cofer, playing in NCAA right now.

They've led Grambling back from a 12 point deficit, currently up 2 on Montana State

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And they just won! Cofer was the stand out player...

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Pilotgirl said:

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SCH890 said:

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Pilotgirl said:

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MasterAxe said:

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Two former Jacks, Johnathan Aku & Jamil Cofer, playing in NCAA right now.

They've led Grambling back from a 12 point deficit, currently up 2 on Montana State

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And they just won! Cofer was the stand out player...

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Cofer was more of a redshirt for us, though, right? I hardly remember even playing, and according to ESPN, he only played an average of 9 minutes, so maybe he was a redshirt? I remember Aku since I thought he would be the next Kensmill.

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I wasn't saying that he was the stand out player for us; he was the player that made all the big plays and had a career night in last night's game.

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Jacks1989 said:

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So Nana, Stone and Southwick are still on the roster. Wonder if they will hit the portal?

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Jacks1989 said:

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So Nana, Stone and Southwick are still on the roster. Wonder if they will hit the portal?

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Jacks1989 said:

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Is Hayman officially in the portal?

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Jacks1989 said:

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So Nana, Stone and Southwick are still on the roster. Wonder if they will hit the portal?

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BigJack85 said:

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Jacks1989 said:

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So Nana, Stone and Southwick are still on the roster. Wonder if they will hit the portal?

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Unfortunately nobody wants to be on this team. It should say a lot.

Please stay. LOL. Just a little bit longer….

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SCH890 said:

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Honestly, If this is because Keller lost the locker room due to saying something during the season and the players want out because of this..

I'm kind of pissed.. as a fan how does one be happy about our team with this much turnover. Especially opening up the NIL shop near late season.. Sure that goes to the student. I'm glad I didn't buy a T-Shirt Jersey or something because everyone is now gone.

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ServiceJack88 said:

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SCH890 said:

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Honestly, If this is because Keller lost the locker room due to saying something during the season and the players want out because of this..

I'm kind of pissed.. as a fan how does one be happy about our team with this much turnover. Especially opening up the NIL shop near late season.. Sure that goes to the student. I'm glad I didn't buy a T-Shirt Jersey or something because everyone is now gone.

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It's beyond that.

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