AxeEm99 said:
TallTexan said:
AxeEm99 said:
BigJack85 said:
AxeEm99 said:
BigJack85 said:
SFA Jack Fanatic said:
99 keeps using the term "standout programs like Sam Houston and Tarleton". Just curious, what, in your opinion 99, make them "standout programs"? I don't see it.
Ya. Not sure where you're coming from 99. The old SLC said that we (SFA) was the only school dedicated to excellence. Not that the old SLC is a benchmark, but we have put effort forward.
That must have been a day during basketball season, or while JC Harper was winning championships in Football. Any other time would have been when the commissioner accidentally brought a bottle to work....
Look at the commissioners cup results beginning around 2005. You'll see that we consistently competed Beginning 2010 we had a ten year stretch of consistent success/dominance. Are you saying we didn't give a ****. I think you're wrong or you don't read data.
Our program brings considerable frustration. Yes we won a couple of Commissioner's Cup's. Where and when it really counted, we were beat by Sam. They excelled and are reaping the benefits today.
And yes, if you listen to AD Bobby Wiiliams explain what Sam accomplished with enrollment and in many other areas, it was very driven by Athletic success....
You mean the guy whose paycheck depends on promoting athletics claims Sam Houston's growth is due to athletics?
I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked!
You are one of the many reasons SFA is where it is today!! Can't see the forest for the trees!!! Once ypu and your friends wake up, SFA might finally move forward!!!
Our bowling and volleyball teams sure brought us a lot of free publicity that benefited our University. Sooooo thankful for those two sports!!!! I am expecting enrollment to at least double from that alone!!!
I'm not the one denigrating our successful sports teams.
Apparently they weren't teaching correlation ain't causation back in 97, but it's your lucky day bc the professor is in.
TLDR: Two events happening at the same time doesn't necessarily mean that the one event caused the other. Here's a great example for you champ. I'm a runner, but by no means a fast one. I can knock out a 33 minute 5k on a good day. I also eat pizza 2-3 times a week. If I go out for a run tomorrow and knock out at 23 minute 5k, should I attribute my success to the fact that I've eaten pizza 4 times this week? Or should I consider the fact that I had hurricane force tailwinds & was running downhill might have come into play?
Now some common ordinary yokel my atrribute it to my increased pizza consumption, but AxeEm99 is no common ordinary yokel.
So let's take a look at some more data. Sam Houston will never deny the fact that they primarily pull their students from Houston, the country's 2nd fastest growing metro. Houston metro has added 2 million residents in the past 15 years. That's almost exactly the same population as all of East Texas. That they added. In just 15 years.
You know who else has grown rapidly in the past 15 years? Houston Christian, who's nearly doubled their enrollment too. Any notable sports successes there?
Also worth pointing out that according to UH's own economists back 15-20 years ago, Houston ranked 2nd to last in the amount of college enrollment seats in the metro area. It hasn't gotten much better with the 2 million new residents flooding in. Meaning that schools nearby would grow even more as UH couldn't absorb them all.
If you'd like another data point, our friends at NDSU, who've had a little sports success over the last decade and a half, went from 14k students in 2009 to 12k today.
Now I won't deny that sports as marketing works. It does have some effect, but often overstated. Those basketball wins we pulled off sure helped folks recognize my SFA gear regardless of where I was in the country.
But to believe that Sam Houston's enrollment growth is predominantly driven by some FCS level football succes, we have to confront a very perplexing enigma. SImply put, if all these new Sam Houston students are so affected by football success that it causes them to enroll, how come they don't show up to football games?
Ok that's all it, class dismissed, enjoy the long weekend.