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It's definitely odd that in one week our board has gone from wanting to give him a raise and extension to basically fired.

And I wish we'd all stop comparing him/this team to Underwood/his teams, they're completely different and the league is different. And to say he doesn't hold him responsible is a stretch too, he's always pretty self critical. He even said he has higher expectations than anyone, you can tell how much he cares by how animated he has been lately.

Obviously doesn't mean he and the staff don't deserve any criticism, of course they do. We lost at all aspects of the game tonight, including coaching. Bogues missed a wide open layup, TJ missed a wide open layup, got dominated on the boards, and have guys just making lazy passes. We deserved to lose tonight.

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INiedrauer said:

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He yelled it to his wife. Others around could hear. It was all right behind the bench.

Not blaming refs. Frustrated that this same guy is still allowed to do SFA games. He didn't make them lose tho.

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CottonValleyJack said:

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MasterAxe said:

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INiedrauer said:

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Those of you saying Keller is a mediocre coach for this....come on. I have a hard time taking that seriously enough to express disagreement.

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You have any facts to the contrary? If he's not mediocre, what is he? Good...maybe. Maybe.

Certainly isn't great.

13/18 wins are non D1 or sub-.500 teams.

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If this is "great", is there a word grandiose enough in the English language for his predecessor?

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RedRiverLa said:

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CottonValleyJack said:

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MasterAxe said:

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INiedrauer said:

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Those of you saying Keller is a mediocre coach for this....come on. I have a hard time taking that seriously enough to express disagreement.

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You have any facts to the contrary? If he's not mediocre, what is he? Good...maybe. Maybe.

Certainly isn't great.

13/18 wins are non D1 or sub-.500 teams.

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If this is "great", is there a word grandiose enough in the English language for his predecessor?

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Yes, our language has several words greater than great: superior, exceptional, outstanding, superb, Kasper-recruit-blessed. Funny how Illinois isn't assigning these terms to Brad, not even great. In fact, the complaints in here about Keller are the same ones and even worse Underwood is getting this year, so he must be worse than Keller. Or maybe fans just overreact?

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PurpleOut said:

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I'll also add, that regardless of your opinion, it's welcome here. That's what this board is for. Losing obviously brings out the worst in anyone, definitely including myself. But it also shows how far our program and our fan base has come. Look at how many people REALLY care. It's a lot. We'll be ok.

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SfaTke596 said:

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This game was disappointing and extremely frustrating. This was a total team loss. The coaching staff didn't get these guys prepared and ready to go. The players were definitely not up for this game. Complete ugliness on all sides.

What happened to our defense?!?! By this point in the season- it should be a given that our defense comes play lights out every game. I just don't see the guys putting in the effort.

With that being said- we can't keep on bringing up Brad. He was great for us. Nobody will ever be able to live up to what he did in Nac. Like it or not Brad dumped us for a better looking girl. Then he dumped that girl, a year later, for an even better looking girl. Brad is not coming back- let's get over Brad and move on.

Keller walked into a depleted roster (Brad walked into a great roster- and squeezed everything out of them). I see improvement from last year and expect improvement next year. We have seen this years team play great, as good as any SFA team coached by Brad, and we have seen them play horribly bad.

In my opinion it's too soon to call for Kellers head. I do hope he gets our team back on track and we close the season strong- I will still consider this season a success if we make the NCAA tourney and keep it competitive in the tourney. If Keller doesn't make the tourney this year and looks suspect next year (specially with the team we have coming back next year) then I'll jump on the fire Keller bandwagon. Until then I'll back Keller.

The sky is not falling.

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Gazette1 said:

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OK, i've been called out before for being critical but unless the entire team was sick, I see nothing to be proud of. When you get out rebounded that bad your not putting out enough effort. I don't give a darn about the officiating. That was an embarrassing effort. I'm afraid that for whatever reason the coach is not getting through to the players. He seems to be in danger of losing his team. We're not the best team in the conference. Far from it!

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Oh no...you may have just invited a riot from the Kyle Keller apologists.

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Wow, you miss one game due to family and the world changes. I'm just picking out this one quote from the lot because it just seems to encapsulate the thread for me.

I just got done watching the replay. That sucked. Poor performances outside about 6 minutes in. It seemed like it was all about sloppy play. How many stops did we have where we couldn't finish on the play? A bunch. What's with Comeaux? I would hate to pull him out for his performance, but they didn't even guard him. He never shot from outside 12 - wide open. Gilmore won his assignment. Weisbrod couldn't score, but we let everyone outbound us. Terrible team performance. Keller was losing his mind...rightfully so, but still, I do like chiller Keller more.

Keller is not close to losing his team. That is bonkers. Maybe we're not the best in the conference (though that is still very much yet to be decided), but far from it? Another bonkers statement. Who is the best? UNO? Beat them. Nicholls? Beat them convincingly. SELA and Lamar because they beat us. Again, maybe we're not the best, but to say we're far from it. Come on.

The narrative that we've only won against bad teams. I don't know really what to say to that. I guess we can discount wins, but they count in the end. We have three conferences losses on the road - this is not good, but our wins not being good? I guess you really can't win for winning. This is mind boggling logic to me,but ok.

From my vantage point, we have the easiest remaining schedule of all remaining contenders. We are very much in the running for winning the regular season. We always knew that a bid was coming down to the conference tournament. NCAA seeding is still not a lost cause - especially for a 5 loss team. I agree with Isaac that all our goals are ahead of us.

I love the variety of opinion on this board. It's a strength. So if you have an opinion, state it. I'll be a Keller apologist. Others can be against him. Thanks for chiming in. However, he's not a miracle worker and he's not a bum. We HAVE seen growth this year. We ARE improving. This was the worst loss for the year, but it's not the end of this season by a long shot. Stick around. You may be surprised.

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RedRiverLa said:

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But I do have one question, all these who are coming out of the woodwork to bash and trash, where ya been all year? I agree with Nacluth, let's see where we go not just this season but the next two years. It's soon forgot that 70% of our scoring walked out the door in 2016. And you can't build a fine tuned instrument overnight.

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MasterAxe said:

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I read back some of the things I wrote...what a jerk I was.

I apologize for coming off as an extreme jerk/doomsdayer.

Probably not my finest moments.

I won't apologize, though, for being critical of or team after a pathetic performance.

That's what makes us diehard fans, we expect greatness every time out...and get really upset when it doesn't happen.

I'm still not 100% sold on Keller, it's my opinion, however unpopular it may be, but he's running the show now, so, he's the man.

Still befuddled about our wild inconsistencies on the road.

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MasterAxe said:

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But, he'll constantly get a pass because he's gone through some horrible things in life.

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SfaTke596 said:

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MasterAxe said:

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But, he'll constantly get a pass because he's gone through some horrible things in life.

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I must have not read this comment last night.

I know most of us are heavily vested in SFA basketball and it hurts when we take a bad L. We have the right to be critical of the coaching staff and players when they don't live up to our expectations on the basketball court.

Personal jabs like these are uncalled for and of bad taste. Let's not be "that kind of fan base".

Stay classy Nacogdoches.

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SFAJack_76 said:

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I was not able to attend or watch the game. Stayed off the board until reading through the string now because of extreme frustration with the game and suspecting I might present emotion rather than thought.

Clearly, the team and staff were not prepared for last night. Too many turnovers and completely dominated inside. Rebounding is about postion and effort. We had neither. Bad games happen. This one was so bad, there can be no excuse about refs, Kevon being out, etc. This one is on the players and the coaches.

Underwood did a great job in his three years. He also caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle with the team he was left with. Kudos to him and his staff for making it work. Boykin took an ok OSU team and beat Kansas on the road. Perhaps he was a bigger part of those three Underwood years than he was given credit for.

A week or so ago, I thought 15-3 would win conference outright. That meant gong undefeated at home and 4-1 on the road. I still believe that to be the case. This team can win out.

I believed our point guards to be a strength earlier in the season. Augustin has not been himself for the last few games. Some really lazy passes against HBU and another three turnovers yesterday. With few exceptions, I believe point guard is the most important position on the team. Augustin and Comeaux have got to play up to their capabilities. Canete needs to not be playing point.

T.J? Come on man. You should be dominant nearly every game in the SLC. Even in games with decent stats, he too often disappears for several possessions on offense and is not to be found on the defensive boards.

Declaring that Keller is a bad/mediocre/great coach in less than two seasons is just silly. There has been real progress from last season. No, I am not happy with the three conference losses. How the team responds and grows from here over the next couple of years will define that.

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fortWorthJack said:

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This team is very talented and very 'raw'. The rawness can sometimes be hard to control and leads to uncharacteristic play. Alot of these guys are just trying establish themselves in this league. The other guys were great role players in our earlier teams (Holyfield, Dallas, Bain, CJ). The guys from Juco ( Canete, Boughes, Leon) sometimes play like it is Juco but sometimes they can blow your mind. This team has not put an impressive game together since the SEC trip, which was a hell of a time to get it right, however SLC play has left us wanting. This team continues to not set pace because the 'details' (execution, passing, shooting, attitudes) are lacking. This explains the road woes. You have some room for error at home but hardly any on the road. It is the nature of college basketball and the formula for the BU years. Our team has lacked the ability to move without the basketball and because of it we make the game more difficult than it has to be. The SFA dynasty teams would literally bore you with making high IQ/percentage decisions and by the time you looked up at the score board it was too late, and we didn't have the athletes we have now. Fast forward to our teams now, it is like a roller coaster ride each game. The expectations were high when Keller took over and rightly so, this is not Lamar or some other SLC school, this is one of the most highly rated mid major programs in the country. Keller knew that and he needs to deliver results every year at the helm. This team should be playing better basketball right now and it is fact.

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