Attendance/Opponents

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djsfw57
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SFA_03 said:

When we beat Missou can we get a first place vote?


A first place vote? I'm bucking for at least 5. LOL
SFAXE93
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HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)

AVERAGE: 2,872

OPPONENTS

W @LONGWOOD 3-12
W ST. EDWARD'S 11-3 (Defeated #20 Texas A&M Kingsville 2X)
W LETOURNEAU 9-2
W HOWARD PAYNE 6-6
L @MISSISSIPPI STATE 13-1 (RV)
W FLORIDA A&M 3-14
W NORTH DAKOTA STATE 8-7
W LOUISIANA-MONROE 6-7
W @LOUISIANA TECH 9-6
W RICE 3-12
W @LSU 9-4
L @MISSOURI 11-3 (RV) (Defeated #22 Arkansas)
W ARLINGTON-BAPTIST
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nacluth
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I couldn't get there until halftime, so you can add another to last night's total. The counters leave at the half.
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Longwood 6-14
St. Edward's 13-6
LeTourneau 14-3
Howard Payne 7-11
Mississippi State 14-5 (Lost 4 of last 5)
Florida A&M 3-14
North Dakota State 10-10 (Lost 4 of last 6)
Louisiana-Monroe 7-11 (Lost 6 of last 7)
Louisiana Tech 12-9 (Lost 5 of last 8)
Rice 4-16 (Lost last 9 out of last 10)
LSU 11-7 (Lost 3 in a row; 4 of last 6)
Missouri 13-6 (Lost 4 of last 7)

HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)
GAME 10 (4,173)
GAME 11 (4,700)

AVERAGE: 3,157
"History has no rubbish heap." Louis Blake Duff
INiedrauer
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SFAXE93 said:

Longwood 6-14
St. Edward's 13-6
LeTourneau 14-3
Howard Payne 7-11
Mississippi State 14-5 (Lost 4 of last 5)
Florida A&M 3-14
North Dakota State 10-10 (Lost 4 of last 6)
Louisiana-Monroe 7-11 (Lost 6 of last 7)
Louisiana Tech 12-9 (Lost 5 of last 8)
Rice 4-16 (Lost last 9 out of 10)
LSU 11-7 (Lost 3 in a row; 4 of last 6)
Missouri 13-6 (Lost 4 of last 7)
We broke them.
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nacluth
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INiedrauer said:

We broke them.
Utterly demoralizing teams one at a time.
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TallTexan
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nacluth said:

INiedrauer said:

We broke them.
Utterly demoralizing teams one at a time.
That's why I'm looking forward to the Sam game this weekend. Some of their alums don't even believe they have a basketball program anymore.
Jacks4460
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TallTexan said:

SfaTke596 said:

Why doesn't the marketing department at SFA take on this "attendance issue" as some sort of project?

Let's get the hospitality department involved with the "game experience" side of things.

It would be beneficial for the students involved- gives them a real world experience.

I'm sure I'm just tossing out ideas that have been discussed before...
They'd have to admit that sports work as marketing for the university first.

Other than that though, it's an excellent idea to get students involved in making the university great. And they can put theory to practice.
Looks like they might have come around. Just saw a flyer the Athletics dept put out with Free Food,Music,Games before the games.. with owning a business in Stephenville for 4 yrs I know the free food thing at the university thing became HUGE!!!! It will draw the kids in thats for sure..
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HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)
GAME 10 (4,173)
GAME 11 (4,700)
GAME 12 (7,081)

TOTAL: 41,806

AVERAGE: 3,484
SFAXE93
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(Last 15 Years)

2002-03: 23-8
Notable Wins: Oral Roberts
2003-04: 24-6
Notable Wins: @Baylor
2004-05: 13-15
2005-06: 17-13
Notable Wins: @Tulsa
2007-08: 27-6; SLC Champions; NIT
Notable Wins: @SMU @San Diego @Oklahoma @Northern Illinois
2008-09: 24-8; SLC Champions; NCAA
Notable Wins: @North Dakota State @Drake
2009-10: 24-9
Notable Wins: Cal State Fullerton @Binghamton
2010-11: 18-11
2011-12: 20-12
Notable Wins: @UTEP
2012-13: 27-5; SLC Champions; NIT
Notable Wins: @FIU @Tulsa San Diego @Oklahoma @Long Beach State
2013-14: 32-3; SLC Champions; NCAA
Notable Wins: @Marshall @UNC-Wilmington @High Point Towson James Madison, VCU
2014-15: 29-5; SLC Champions; NCAA
Notable Wins: @Memphis Long Beach State @Cal State Northridge
2015-16: 28-6; SLC Champions; NCAA
Notable Wins: Western Michigan Appalachian State, West Virginia
2016-17: 18-15; CIT
2017-18: 22-5
Notable Wins: North Dakota State, @Louisiana Tech @LSU

Sawmill Record 206-27
Overall Record 264-84
Conference Championships (6)
Conference Tournament Championships (4)
Post Season Tournaments (7)

SLC Player of the Year (6)
1st Team All-SLC Players (10)
All-Americans (5)
SLC All Defensive Team Players (7)
SLC Coach of the Year (5)



TallTexan
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Our record against the historical Virginia Colony is quite impressive over the last 15 years. Just need to get that U of V skin on the wall.

Also, I can't imagine what our notable win record would look like if we could actually get home & homes or even on the schedule of a lot of schools.
PurpleOut
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I know Wednesday games are somewhat harder to attend for the locals, but was still surprised at the turnout last night.

There's a good conversation on Twitter below with a few students. It's good to see there are more out there acknowledge it's gotten better, but also WANT it to be the best.

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HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)
GAME 10 (4,173)
GAME 11 (4,700)
GAME 12 (7,081)
GAME 13 (3,312)
GAME 14 (6,238)

TOTAL: 51,356

AVERAGE: 3,668
"History has no rubbish heap." Louis Blake Duff
SFAXE93
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351 Division I Basketball Teams

SFA (RPI 139)

W Longwood 6-22; 3-12 (RPI 344)
W St. Edward's 15-11; 5-9
W LeTourneau 22-3; 16-2 (ASC Regular Season Champions)
W Howard Payne 11-14; 7-10
L Mississippi State 18-8; 6-7 (RPI 69)
W Florida A&M 6-20; 4-6 (RPI 345)
W North Dakota State 13-15; 4-8 (RPI 208)
W Louisiana-Monroe 13-12; 7-7 (RPI 211)
W Louisiana Tech 16-12; 7-8 (RPI 168)
W Rice 5-22; 2-12 (RPI 329)
W LSU 15-11; 6-8 (RPI 83)
L Missouri 18-9; 8-6 (RPI 23)
W Arlington Baptist ?


SFAXE93
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HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)
GAME 10 (4,173)
GAME 11 (4,700)
GAME 12 (7,081)
GAME 13 (3,312)
GAME 14 (6,238)
GAME 15 (3,012)
GAME 16 (7,023)
GAME 17 (2,912)

TOTAL: 64,303

AVERAGE: 3,782
SFAXE93
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351 Division I Basketball Teams

SFA (RPI 128)

W Longwood 7-26; 3-15 (RPI 338)
W St. Edward's 18-12; 7-9 <Lost OT last second shot 93-94 in Heartland Tournament Semi>
W LeTourneau 24-5; 16-2 (ASC Regular Season Champions) <Lost 82-83 to #6 Emery in 2nd Round of NCAA Div. III Tournament.>
W Howard Payne 11-15; 7-10 <Lost to LeTourneau in conference tournament 74-100>
L Mississippi State 21-10; 9-9 (RPI 69) Play LSU in SEC tournament
W Florida A&M 6-20; 4-6 (RPI 337)
W North Dakota State 14-16; 5-9 (RPI 221) <Play Fort Wayne in Conference Tournament>
W Louisiana-Monroe 15-14; 9-9 (RPI 211) <Playing in conference tournament>
W Louisiana Tech 16-15; 7-11 (RPI 202) <Play North Texas in Conference tournament>
W Rice 7-24; 4-14 (RPI 327)
W LSU 17-13; 8-10 (RPI 88) <Play Miss State>
L Missouri 20-11; 10-8 (RPI 33) <Play in conference tournament>
W Arlington Baptist ?
TallTexan
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SFAXE93 said:

HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)
GAME 10 (4,173)
GAME 11 (4,700)
GAME 12 (7,081)
GAME 13 (3,312)
GAME 14 (6,238)
GAME 15 (3,012)
GAME 16 (7,023)
GAME 17 (2,912)

TOTAL: 64,303

AVERAGE: 3,782


Not a bad season at all. I'd love to see if we could hit a minimum of 3k per game next season.

I'd also like to move the Cram the Coliseum game to the first week students are back after Christmas.
SFASawmillGuy
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Why not have ever game be cram the Coliseum? Just to be safe.
BigJack85
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TallTexan said:

SFAXE93 said:

HOME ATTENDANCE

GAME 1 (3,127)
GAME 2 (2,642)
GAME 3 (1,881)
GAME 4 (1,691)
GAME 5 (4,398)
GAME 6 (3,941)
GAME 7 (4,071)
GAME 8 (1,859)
GAME 9 (2,242)
GAME 10 (4,173)
GAME 11 (4,700)
GAME 12 (7,081)
GAME 13 (3,312)
GAME 14 (6,238)
GAME 15 (3,012)
GAME 16 (7,023)
GAME 17 (2,912)

TOTAL: 64,303

AVERAGE: 3,782


Not a bad season at all. I'd love to see if we could hit a minimum of 3k per game next season.

I'd also like to move the Cram the Coliseum game to the first week students are back after Christmas.


Our lowest attendance was 1,691. I wonder what Sam's high was? Probably Saturday when 60% of the crows was Purple!
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
TallTexan
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SFA_03 said:

Why not have ever game be cram the Coliseum? Just to be safe.
We should have Hill call in some favors as his last official act at SFA. Certainly Boynton & Underwood want to bring their boys back to Nac for a visit right?
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Boynton and Underwood are probably the two people in the world least likely to bring their P5 team to Nac knowing what they know about playing here...
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SFAJack_76
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For grins and giggles looked up previous years. Following is average attendance and win/loss record:

1993 - 3,169. 12/14
1994 - 2,318. 9/18
1995 - 2,370. 14/14
1996 - 2,046. 17/11
1997 - 2,075. 13/15
1998 - 1,694. 10/16
1999 - 1,419. 4/22
2000 - 1,065. 6/21
2001 - 1,350. 9/17
2002 - 1,486. 13/15
2003 - 2,118. 21/8
2004 - 2,064. 21/9
2005 - 1,455. 12/15
2006 - 1,839. 17/12
2007 - 2,021. 15/14
2008 - 2,599. 20/6
2009 - 3,140. 24/8
2010 - 2,419. 23/9
2011 - 2,290. 18/11
2012 - 1,873. 20/12
2013 - 2,362. 27/5
2014 - 2,624. 32/3
2015 - 4,072. 29/5
2016 - 3,274. 28/6
2017 - 3,667. 18/15

Attendance is as reported to the NCAA. No guarantees that I have not transposed a number or two, but nothing meaningful if I did.
TallTexan
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INiedrauer said:

Boynton and Underwood are probably the two people in the world least likely to bring their P5 team to Nac knowing what they know about playing here...


That's why we need Hill to call in a favor. Hey Brad, how's that vacation house, oh by the way, what are you doing in December?
TallTexan
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SFAJack_76 said:

For grins and giggles looked up previous years. Following is average attendance and win/loss record:

1993 - 3,169. 12/14
1994 - 2,318. 9/18
1995 - 2,370. 14/14
1996 - 2,046. 17/11
1997 - 2,075. 13/15
1998 - 1,694. 10/16
1999 - 1,419. 4/22
2000 - 1,065. 6/21
2001 - 1,350. 9/17
2002 - 1,486. 13/15
2003 - 2,118. 21/8
2004 - 2,064. 21/9
2005 - 1,455. 12/15
2006 - 1,839. 17/12
2007 - 2,021. 15/14
2008 - 2,599. 20/6
2009 - 3,140. 24/8
2010 - 2,419. 23/9
2011 - 2,290. 18/11
2012 - 1,873. 20/12
2013 - 2,362. 27/5
2014 - 2,624. 32/3
2015 - 4,072. 29/5
2016 - 3,274. 28/6
2017 - 3,667. 18/15

Attendance is as reported to the NCAA. No guarantees that I have not transposed a number or two, but nothing meaningful if I did.



The fluctuations are interesting. I'd have guessed it'd be standard year over year.
nacluth
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To be fair to this list, the 90's higher averages were probably almost all accounted for by the Ladyjacks dominance. Once they took a step back, the 1,000 average is probably inline with the men's pull. Then winning more under Kaspar started the climb.
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I think attendance is one of the main things we need to fix for the upcoming basketball season. I really think we need to get the SFA business and marketing departments involved.

There is no other big show in town. There is no reason why we don't average 5k in attendance- specially in Nacogdoches.

The university needs to be all in! Most of us will agree that this would be the easiest way to grow our university.

Why aren't more people (specially students) showing up?
Jacks4460
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SfaTke596 said:

I think attendance is one of the main things we need to fix for the upcoming basketball season. I really think we need to get the SFA business and marketing departments involved.


YES YES YES get the SFA business and marketing departments involved. Then maybe the professors will feel more needed and wanted and then they will let the Athletic Fee pass.. This is a great idea and it really wouldnt cost any $$ asking them for their input... Gotta work together..
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SfaTke596 said:


Why aren't more people (specially students) showing up?
That one is a real head-scratcher for me. Does the university inform students of games, other than those cute little "Game Today" signs around the campus? I agree that there should be at least 5,000 at EVERY game!
SFASawmillGuy
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edstile said:

SfaTke596 said:


Why aren't more people (specially students) showing up?
That one is a real head-scratcher for me. Does the university inform students of games, other than those cute little "Game Today" signs around the campus? I agree that there should be at least 5,000 at EVERY game!


When I was a student i asked several students about the attendance. A large portion told me it was because they didn't care who we played. Others said because they didn't know about the game. Some said it's because no one goes to SFA for sports. And some said it's because "we suck". I remember when we went 17-1 and lost to Corpus the season we played Utah. After that loss attendance suddenly dropped drastically at home.

There's just still a ton of apathy in our student body. The strength of opponents isn't getting better, especially not home games, and I know for a fact that the university promotes itself and the games very well both on social media and around campus. It's just a lot of students not caring enough unless it's Sam Houston or a nationally televised or recognized game.
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As a recent Sfa Grad(2017) I think there are several factors effecting student attendance. all the points that SFA_03 states are correct. We have too many student that rather be at Texas A &M then SFA. I think those students are lost causes. But also a lot of the students are also unaware of the games. We have been having this discussion for years and I think there is not a lot we can do to improve the # anymore (sfa athletics marketing department is doing great) It will just take time, continued success and Organic growth. We can't give away cars at every game to get students.

But we cant blame only the students. We need more nac residents. Sfa mbb should be treated like a NBA team. Not just for sfa grad but locals who never attended sfa.
TallTexan
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SFA_03 said:


There's just still a ton of apathy in our student body. The strength of opponents isn't getting better, especially not home games, and I know for a fact that the university promotes itself and the games very well both on social media and around campus. It's just a lot of students not caring enough unless it's Sam Houston or a nationally televised or recognized game.
Unless we make it in the Big 12, week in and week out we wouldn't have huge names to draw crowds to home games. Heck, Texas is in the Big 12 & sometimes they can't get more than 3k people there.

SFA17 brings up a good point about SFA being some students second choice and that perhaps might affect their level of apathy towards the University. Maybe if we can work on the academics & prestige(we've got a chicken and egg problem here), we could get 5k fans to every home game.

Overall though, we beat the snot out of the rest of the conference in those metrics, so we're obviously doing something right.
TallTexan
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sfa17 said:

But we cant blame only the students. We need more nac residents. Sfa mbb should be treated like a NBA team. Not just for sfa grad but locals who never attended sfa.

How much do we control our own schedule? Like could we move midweek games to Tuesdays?

I'm not 100% sure what the percentage of Nac residents are who attend church on Wendesdays, but it affects a good number of people who would otherwise show up to support SFA.
SFASawmillGuy
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TallTexan said:

sfa17 said:

But we cant blame only the students. We need more nac residents. Sfa mbb should be treated like a NBA team. Not just for sfa grad but locals who never attended sfa.

How much do we control our own schedule? Like could we move midweek games to Tuesdays?

I'm not 100% sure what the percentage of Nac residents are who attend church on Wendesdays, but it affects a good number of people who would otherwise show up to support SFA.


Conference games are set by the conference. Our non conference games are set by us and the university we play. problem is that's been detailed multiple times, without a real airport and with how good we've been, teams don't want to travel to Nac. It's not worth it to them to come here and potentially lose.
SFASawmillGuy
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Though I know from Reddit that OKST fans apparently really want a Home Home with us.
TallTexan
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Could we petition the conference for Tuesday games?
 
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