Yes I have. They all played Sam twice. In this scenario, UCA and SFA would be 1-1 and HBU 0-2. However, the tiebreaker stipulates that for the tie to be split, one team has to have an advantage. So, even though SFA and UCA did better, it goes to the next common team.

There is not another team that they all played twice, so it goes to the "Three way tiebreaker subsection (c)." That says:

(c) If three (3) or more teams remain tied for a position, regardless of the number of games played against the other tied teams, any won-loss advantage in the combined pool of tied teams shall be used as a seeding tie-breaker. This shall continue through the order of final standings if necessary.

We are 2-1 against HBU and UCA.
HBU is 1-1, UCA is 1-2.

We have the advantage so we advance to the #7 seed. Then it goes to a two way tiebreaker which UCA wins by beating Sam (common opponent) once. UCA #8.

Nacluth, that's some mighty impressive figurin you did to decipher the most complicated tie breaker rules in all of basketball.

LOL...all of these scenarios contingent on the least likely thing happening...we win.

Sorry, but I see no way that happens.

Amazingly somewhere along the way the tiebreaker rules started to have an internal logic to them - even if I don't really like it. Like Master says, it's the least likely possibility that we beat Sam, but the only "lock" I had for yesterday was Sam winning senior night at home to close a banner season. Shows what I know.

Ok, for those who have an inkling of an interest left.

Katy locks: Sam, ACU, UNO, SELA, Lamar. (Seeds 2-5 still in flux).

Controls their destiny (win and in): HBU, Corpus, SFA, UCA

Needs help (win plus others lose): NWST

Eliminated: UIW, McNeese, Nicholls

*If SFA, UCA, or NWST lose Saturday, they are eliminated.

**HBU/Corpus winner is the #6 seed. The loser will be the #8 seed unless both SFA and UCA win, then they are eliminated.

***If UCA and SFA lose, then HBU/Corpus loser is the 7 seed, and NWST is the #8 seed.

Is it likely or even possible to win 5 in a row when we haven't won more than three in a row this year? No, probably not. But there is a sense of pride that in a weak conference like the Southland, you can at least make the tournament. Even if it doesn't really change anything about the season, going to Katy (especially the year after you won the tournament) is important for the program.

It will mean a lot to the young guys too to get to play in a tournament environment. As a 7 seed we would be in the weaker side and could win a game or two. While not likely, finishing above .500 is another worthy goal.

Again, very small chance to beat Sam, but if it comes down to the crowd yelling, I will be there to see it happen.

nacluth said:

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Ok, for those who have an inkling of an interest left.

Katy locks: Sam, ACU, UNO, SELA, Lamar. (Seeds 2-5 still in flux).

Controls their destiny (win and in): HBU, Corpus, SFA, UCA

Needs help (win plus others lose): NWST

Eliminated: UIW, McNeese, Nicholls

*If SFA, UCA, or NWST lose Saturday, they are eliminated.

**HBU/Corpus winner is the #6 seed. The loser will be the #8 seed unless both SFA and UCA win, then they are eliminated.

***If UCA and SFA lose, then HBU/Corpus loser is the 7 seed, and NWST is the #8 seed.

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Don't think seeds 2-5 are in flux. Abilene has the 2 because they have any tiebreaker with Southeastern. Southeastern has the 3 because they win any tiebreaker with Lamar or UNO. No idea about the 4 and 5 with Lamar and UNO but UNO people seem to believe that if Lamar beats McNeese, which is probable, Lamar gets the 4 thus making UNO the 5.

Yep you're right.

There's no difference to the result that I figured for SFA, but their tiebreaker rules say that one team has to have an advantage to split the tie.

In the SFA/UCA/(Corpus/HBU loser) tie, they eliminate the Corpus/HBU loser because two teams have an advantage. It works out with the same result this time, but I would be upset if the clear language of the rules led for my team to be eliminated.

Attached the rule in question:
(b) If three (3) or more teams tie for a position, and if the teams combined to split their regular season games against one another, or if they played an uneven number of games against one another, then the tied teams' won-loss results against the next highest-positioned team(s) they all played twice shall be compared. This shall be continued through the final standings until one (1) team gains the advantage, thus the higher seed.


Then Southland's ruling:
A three-way tie cannot be broken except for won-loss results against SHSU. SFA was 1-1, UCA was 1-1, AMCC was 0-2. AMCC eliminated. If ACU finishes untied in final standings, SFA is No. 7 tournament seed by virtue of won-loss advantage against highest-positioned team(s) in final standings, regardless of the number of times played

Again, this time if they continued the tiebreaker it would have had the same results, but they didn't follow their rules.

Wait, so the Southland isn't following their own rules for tiebreakers?

TallTexan said:

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I'm pulling for every team not named Sam in Katy.

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I'm pulling for SELA. Veal is a special player and I'd like to see him play in the NCAA tourney (and send SAM to the NIT).

I'd prefer any of the Louisiana schools. It should hurt our recruiting less when they make the tourney and get blown out.

Wouldn't mind ACU though, if we can't sell East Texas over West Texas, we might as well just hang it up anyways.

I just don't want Sam to win. Can't have all those Sam alums up in my messages acting like they're the greatest college fans in the world when they won't even know who the Delaney brothers are until next week.

TallTexan said:

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I'm pulling for every team not named Sam in Katy.

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Amen to that! I HATE PRISON TECH WITH A PASSION!

TallTexan said:

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I'd prefer any of the Louisiana schools. It should hurt our recruiting less when they make the tourney and get blown out.

Wouldn't mind ACU though, if we can't sell East Texas over West Texas, we might as well just hang it up anyways.

I just don't want Sam to win. Can't have all those Sam alums up in my messages acting like they're the greatest college fans in the world when they won't even know who the Delaney brothers are until next week.

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I agree 100%, but Sam seems very beatable to me, lately - and they haven't had the pressure of expectations and one and done like they will now, unlike their opponents who can play much looser. And...Wooten is coaching. For a team that had clinched the #1 seed and the regular season, I noticed an unusual amount of discourse between players last night. And just for the record, if I have to pull for someone, I'm pulling for Southeastern -

My money's on Lamar. They're playing better than anyone right now.

Off topic but just watched UH win their first conf. Championship since 1983.. 35 yrs ago.. WOW!!

RedRiverLa said:

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And, as a final slap in the face, every time I sign into the Sawmill I'm faced with the pinned article, "Keller focused on what matters as SFA climbs back into Southland race" - oh my.

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We do need an update. Like a breakdown of the season or something.

For anyone going.

RedRiverLa said:

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Okay, I finally got the math down to my level and just figured out our chances for Katy today.

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Impressive! Only took you two days!

SFA Jack Fanatic said:

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RedRiverLa said:

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Okay, I finally got the math down to my level and just figured out our chances for Katy today.

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Impressive! Only took you two days!

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If it took him more than 4 days, we'd have to revoke his degree and issue him some Sam Houston credentials instead.

its not over yet, we are still tourney champions. Dont count us out yet.