SFA Jack Fanatic said:
The Over/Under for Prison Tech football in 2023 has been set at 4. I'll take the Under.
Do they have O/U for FCS programs?
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Do they have O/U for FCS programs?
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I'm sure someone does, but I'll be happy to set the O/U for the Jacks at 6 even if I think we should get 8. Carthel's group has only cleared 6 once.BigJack85 said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
The Over/Under for Prison Tech football in 2023 has been set at 4. I'll take the Under.
Do they have O/U for FCS programs?
Rumors of Colorado and atleast one other school defecting from the PAC 12 to the Big 12.
Could setoff a whole new round of realignment.
Could setoff a whole new round of realignment.
Sources are saying that Arizona is deep in discussions with the Big 12 about joining that conference. Arizona Board of Regents meeting tonight, so the jump could be soon.
SFA Jack Fanatic said:
Sources are saying that Arizona is deep in discussions with the Big 12 about joining that conference. Arizona Board of Regents meeting tonight, so the jump could be soon.
Oregon and Washington bail first.
Which will almost certainly force ASU, Zona, and Utah to the Big 12.
That leaves 4 PAC 12 teams. I think they'll take 6-8 teams to survive, mostly MWC, but could maybe still get SMU/Tulane.
This expansion is about to cascade downhill to the WAC.
Who do you think has the goods for the MWC? Utah Valley and Grand Canyon? Is anyone else even close?
It depends on who gets poached.
Here was my speculation:
PAC 12
Oregon St, Wazzu, Cal, Stanford
SMU, Tulane, Rice, Boise, San Diego St. Fresno St, Air Force, Nevada
Which leaves MWC with UNLV, Utah St, San Jose St, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico
And they add UTEP, UNT, and callup Montana, Montana St, NDSU, SDSU.
Pretty nice contiguous conference that should maintain a decent TV deal.
Here was my speculation:
PAC 12
Oregon St, Wazzu, Cal, Stanford
SMU, Tulane, Rice, Boise, San Diego St. Fresno St, Air Force, Nevada
Which leaves MWC with UNLV, Utah St, San Jose St, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico
And they add UTEP, UNT, and callup Montana, Montana St, NDSU, SDSU.
Pretty nice contiguous conference that should maintain a decent TV deal.
TallTexan said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
Sources are saying that Arizona is deep in discussions with the Big 12 about joining that conference. Arizona Board of Regents meeting tonight, so the jump could be soon.
Oregon and Washington bail first.
Which will almost certainly force ASU, Zona, and Utah to the Big 12.
That leaves 4 PAC 12 teams. I think they'll take 6-8 teams to survive, mostly MWC, but could maybe still get SMU/Tulane.
This expansion is about to cascade downhill to the WAC.
Yep. It's official. Arizona, ASU, and Utah to the Big 12.
TallTexan said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
Sources are saying that Arizona is deep in discussions with the Big 12 about joining that conference. Arizona Board of Regents meeting tonight, so the jump could be soon.
Oregon and Washington bail first.
Which will almost certainly force ASU, Zona, and Utah to the Big 12.
That leaves 4 PAC 12 teams. I think they'll take 6-8 teams to survive, mostly MWC, but could maybe still get SMU/Tulane.
This expansion is about to cascade downhill to the WAC.
My guess is Washington St and Oregon St join the mountain west. Maybe they change the name to Mountain Pacific (MOPAC)
California doesn't know where to go and Stanford goes independent. It will take a few years, but I believe the "conglomerate conferences" will fall apart. Again, the TV dollars will propel this for 5-7 years. Ultimately not enough people will tune in or dial in for Rutgers vs Oregon.
Stats Perform FCS Preseason Top 25 Poll
1. South Dakota State (141, 80 Missouri Valley), 1,400 points (56 first-place votes)
2. North Dakota State (123, 71 Missouri Valley), 1,329
3. Montana State (122, 80 Big Sky), 1,294
4. William & Mary (112, 71 CAA), 1,172
5. Holy Cross (121, 60 Patriot), 1,113
6. Furman (10-3, 7-1 Southern) 1,035
7. UIW (122, 51 Southland), 935
8. Idaho (75, 62 Big Sky), 932
9. Samford (11-2), 8-0 Southern), 885
10. Sacramento State (121, 80 Big Sky), 881
11. New Hampshire (94, 71 CAA), 798
12. Southeast Missouri (9-3, 50 Ohio Valley), 768
13. Weber State (103, 62 Big Sky), 744
14. Montana (85, 44 Big Sky), 711
15. Southeastern Louisiana (94, 51 Southland), 710
16. UC Davis (65, 53 Big Sky), 513
17. North Dakota (75, 53 Missouri Valley), 479
18. Richmond (94, 62 CAA), 387
19. North Carolina Central (102, 41 MEAC), 330
20. Mercer (7-4, 5-3 Southern), 293
21. Rhode Island (74, 53 CAA), 169
22. Delaware (8-5, 4-4 CAA), 166
23. Northern Iowa (6-5, 5-3 Missouri Valley), 155
24. Eastern Kentucky (7-5, 3-2 UAC), 137
25. Gardner-Webb (7-6, 5-0 Big South), 12
Also receiving votes
26. Central Arkansas (56, 32 UAC) 110
27. Chattanooga (7-4, 5-3 Southern) 84
28. Jackson State (12-1, 8-0 SWAC) 71
29T. Southern Illinois (56, 44 Missouri Valley) 66
29T. Youngstown State (7-4, 5-3 Missouri Valley) 66
31T. Florida A&M (9-2, 7-1 SWAC) 65
31T. UT Martin (74, 50 Ohio Valley) 65
33. Elon (8-4, 6-2 CAA) 61
34. Austin Peay (7-4, 3-2 UAC) 40
35. Fordham (9-3, 5-1 Patriot) 28
36. Yale (8-2, 6-1 Ivy) 18
37. Villanova (6-5, 4-4 CAA) 8
38. McNeese (4-7, 2-4 Southland) 7
39T. Abilene Christian (7-4, 3-1 UAC) 6
39T. St. Thomas (10-1, 8-0 Pioneer) 6
41. Saint Francis (9-3, 7-0 NEC) 5
1. South Dakota State (141, 80 Missouri Valley), 1,400 points (56 first-place votes)
2. North Dakota State (123, 71 Missouri Valley), 1,329
3. Montana State (122, 80 Big Sky), 1,294
4. William & Mary (112, 71 CAA), 1,172
5. Holy Cross (121, 60 Patriot), 1,113
6. Furman (10-3, 7-1 Southern) 1,035
7. UIW (122, 51 Southland), 935
8. Idaho (75, 62 Big Sky), 932
9. Samford (11-2), 8-0 Southern), 885
10. Sacramento State (121, 80 Big Sky), 881
11. New Hampshire (94, 71 CAA), 798
12. Southeast Missouri (9-3, 50 Ohio Valley), 768
13. Weber State (103, 62 Big Sky), 744
14. Montana (85, 44 Big Sky), 711
15. Southeastern Louisiana (94, 51 Southland), 710
16. UC Davis (65, 53 Big Sky), 513
17. North Dakota (75, 53 Missouri Valley), 479
18. Richmond (94, 62 CAA), 387
19. North Carolina Central (102, 41 MEAC), 330
20. Mercer (7-4, 5-3 Southern), 293
21. Rhode Island (74, 53 CAA), 169
22. Delaware (8-5, 4-4 CAA), 166
23. Northern Iowa (6-5, 5-3 Missouri Valley), 155
24. Eastern Kentucky (7-5, 3-2 UAC), 137
25. Gardner-Webb (7-6, 5-0 Big South), 12
Also receiving votes
26. Central Arkansas (56, 32 UAC) 110
27. Chattanooga (7-4, 5-3 Southern) 84
28. Jackson State (12-1, 8-0 SWAC) 71
29T. Southern Illinois (56, 44 Missouri Valley) 66
29T. Youngstown State (7-4, 5-3 Missouri Valley) 66
31T. Florida A&M (9-2, 7-1 SWAC) 65
31T. UT Martin (74, 50 Ohio Valley) 65
33. Elon (8-4, 6-2 CAA) 61
34. Austin Peay (7-4, 3-2 UAC) 40
35. Fordham (9-3, 5-1 Patriot) 28
36. Yale (8-2, 6-1 Ivy) 18
37. Villanova (6-5, 4-4 CAA) 8
38. McNeese (4-7, 2-4 Southland) 7
39T. Abilene Christian (7-4, 3-1 UAC) 6
39T. St. Thomas (10-1, 8-0 Pioneer) 6
41. Saint Francis (9-3, 7-0 NEC) 5
2023 AFCA Coaches Poll
1.) Georgia (61)
2.) Michigan
3.) Alabama (4)
4.) Ohio State (1)
5.) LSU
6.) USC
7.) Penn State
8.) Florida State
9.) Clemson
10.) Tennessee
11.) Washington
12.) Texas
13.) Notre Dame
14.) Utah
15.) Oregon
16.) TCU
17.) Kansas State
18.) Oregon State
19.) Oklahoma
20.) North Carolina
21.) Wisconsin
22.) Ole Miss
23.) Tulane
24.) Texas Tech
25.) Texas A&M
Also Receiving Votes
Troy 25
1.) Georgia (61)
2.) Michigan
3.) Alabama (4)
4.) Ohio State (1)
5.) LSU
6.) USC
7.) Penn State
8.) Florida State
9.) Clemson
10.) Tennessee
11.) Washington
12.) Texas
13.) Notre Dame
14.) Utah
15.) Oregon
16.) TCU
17.) Kansas State
18.) Oregon State
19.) Oklahoma
20.) North Carolina
21.) Wisconsin
22.) Ole Miss
23.) Tulane
24.) Texas Tech
25.) Texas A&M
Also Receiving Votes
Troy 25
The idea that Cal and Stanford could end up in the ACC seems crazy but the current landscape is nutty anyway. I hear the Cal athletic department is deep in the red. Make no mistake, the university is fine with billions in endowments but athletics has a problem. Their options are more limited.
So local radio dudes have been saying the MWC TV deal is only 4 million for each school. Stanford and Cal can pound sand but I do feel for OSU and WSU.
So local radio dudes have been saying the MWC TV deal is only 4 million for each school. Stanford and Cal can pound sand but I do feel for OSU and WSU.
2023 FCS Preseason Coaches Poll
1. South Dakota State (24)
2. North Dakota State (1)
3. Montana State
4. William & Mary
5. Holy Cross
6. Furman
7. UIW
8. Sacramento State
9. Samford
10. Weber State
11. Southeast Missouri
12. New Hampshire
13. Idaho
14. Montana
15. Southeastern Louisiana
16. Richmond
17. UC Davis
18. North Dakota
19. NC Central
20. Northern Iowa
21. Delaware
22. Mercer
23. Rhode Island
24. Gardner-Webb
25. Florida A&M
Others receiving votes: Yale 64, Eastern Kentucky 59, Fordham 58, Jackson St. 37, Elon 30, St. Thomas (Minn.) 30, Youngstown St. 28, Princeton 26, Southern Illinois 26, UT Martin 23, Central Arkansas 22, Chattanooga 13, North Carolina A&T 13, Illinois St. 12, Northern Arizona 12, Southern 9, Davidson 7, St. Francis (Pa.) 7, Tennessee Tech 6, Howard 5, Pennsylvania 5, Abilene Christian 4, Austin Peay 3, Campbell 2, Villanova 1.
1. South Dakota State (24)
2. North Dakota State (1)
3. Montana State
4. William & Mary
5. Holy Cross
6. Furman
7. UIW
8. Sacramento State
9. Samford
10. Weber State
11. Southeast Missouri
12. New Hampshire
13. Idaho
14. Montana
15. Southeastern Louisiana
16. Richmond
17. UC Davis
18. North Dakota
19. NC Central
20. Northern Iowa
21. Delaware
22. Mercer
23. Rhode Island
24. Gardner-Webb
25. Florida A&M
Others receiving votes: Yale 64, Eastern Kentucky 59, Fordham 58, Jackson St. 37, Elon 30, St. Thomas (Minn.) 30, Youngstown St. 28, Princeton 26, Southern Illinois 26, UT Martin 23, Central Arkansas 22, Chattanooga 13, North Carolina A&T 13, Illinois St. 12, Northern Arizona 12, Southern 9, Davidson 7, St. Francis (Pa.) 7, Tennessee Tech 6, Howard 5, Pennsylvania 5, Abilene Christian 4, Austin Peay 3, Campbell 2, Villanova 1.
Conference USA schools have signed a Grant of Rights, per source. Believed to be the only G5 league with one, bringing some stability to the league.
— Chris Vannini (@ChrisVannini) August 22, 2023
It runs alongside the new ESPN/CBS deal, which is 5/6 years and features October midweek games. https://t.co/XDBhGT232w
What's a Grant of Rights deal? The article is behind a pay wall. Just a fancy name for a TV deal?
TallTexan said:Conference USA schools have signed a Grant of Rights, per source. Believed to be the only G5 league with one, bringing some stability to the league.
— Chris Vannini (@ChrisVannini) August 22, 2023
It runs alongside the new ESPN/CBS deal, which is 5/6 years and features October midweek games. https://t.co/XDBhGT232w
God I hate midweek games. When we had them even against rivals or good opponents it kills attendance. Unfortunately when we finally make the FBS jump years from now that's a negative we will be getting as well.
SFA Jack Fanatic said:
What's a Grant of Rights deal? The article is behind a pay wall. Just a fancy name for a TV deal?
Basically it gives all media rights from the schools to the conference instead of the individual schools.
Paywalls can be bypassed on iPhones by clicking to view in reader mode. It's the Aa symbol on the left hand side where you type in the URL. I'm sure it'll be fixed at some point but for years iPhone users have been able to bypass paywalls with this.
I'm not an iPhone guy.
SFASawmillGuy said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
What's a Grant of Rights deal? The article is behind a pay wall. Just a fancy name for a TV deal?
Basically it gives all media rights from the schools to the conference instead of the individual schools.
Paywalls can be bypassed on iPhones by clicking to view in reader mode. It's the Aa symbol on the left hand side where you type in the URL. I'm sure it'll be fixed at some point but for years iPhone users have been able to bypass paywalls with this.
To build on this, it's why the ACC hasn't lost any schools. Their Grant of Rights runs through 2035 or so.
So if a school left early, the ACC would still own their rights for the next 12 years. It's adds significant teeth to a contract above and beyond a conference buyout.
In the ACC's case, it means a school would have to pay somewhere in the ballpark of 3-500 million to leave this year, which they obviously cannot do.
The CUSA deal is 800k a year, so in theory, it would cost a school something like 4 million if they departed today.
Obviously that's not an insurmountable hurdle, but it is a nasty bite out of an athletic department budget. I'd bet the only one with that kind of cash on hand is Liberty.
So it's unlikely most would jump conferences in this round of re-alignment.
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Any posting of a starting lineup?
After Week 1, only one Power 5 conference has zero non-conference losses. It happens to be the one that's going out of business.
The new STATS Poll is out.
1. South Dakota State (1-0), 1,399 points (55 first-place votes)
2. North Dakota State (1-0), 1,330 (1)
3. Montana State (1-0), 1,298
4. William & Mary (1-0, 1-0 CAA), 1,184
5. Holy Cross (1-0), 1,114
6. Furman (1-0), 1,075
7. Idaho (1-0), 991
8. Samford (1-0), 958
9. Sacramento State (1-0), 925
10. UIW (0-1), 888
11. New Hampshire (1-0), 843
12. Weber State (1-0), 783
13. Montana (1-0), 706
14. Southeast Missouri (0-1), 667
15. UC Davis (1-0), 617
16. Southeastern Louisiana (0-1), 578
17. North Dakota (1-0), 524
18. North Carolina Central (1-0), 387
19. Delaware (1-0, 1-0 CAA), 317
20. Mercer (1-1), 240
21. Northern Iowa (0-1), 190
22. Rhode Island (0-1), 167
23. Florida A&M (1-0), 154
24. Southern Illinois (1-0), 152
25. Youngstown State (1-0), 103
Dropped Out: Richmond (18), Eastern Kentucky (24), Gardner-Webb (25)
Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Eastern Kentucky (0-1) 90; Richmond (0-1) 89; Central Arkansas (0-1) 78; Gardner-Webb (0-1) 67; Villanova (1-0) 66; Elon (0-1) 40; UT Martin (0-1) 38; Abilene Christian (1-0) 32; Morgan State (1-0) 31; UAlbany (1-1) 22; Yale (0-0) 13; Jackson State (1-1) 12; Tarleton (1-0) 9; St. Thomas (1-0) 7; Saint Francis (0-1) 3
1. South Dakota State (1-0), 1,399 points (55 first-place votes)
2. North Dakota State (1-0), 1,330 (1)
3. Montana State (1-0), 1,298
4. William & Mary (1-0, 1-0 CAA), 1,184
5. Holy Cross (1-0), 1,114
6. Furman (1-0), 1,075
7. Idaho (1-0), 991
8. Samford (1-0), 958
9. Sacramento State (1-0), 925
10. UIW (0-1), 888
11. New Hampshire (1-0), 843
12. Weber State (1-0), 783
13. Montana (1-0), 706
14. Southeast Missouri (0-1), 667
15. UC Davis (1-0), 617
16. Southeastern Louisiana (0-1), 578
17. North Dakota (1-0), 524
18. North Carolina Central (1-0), 387
19. Delaware (1-0, 1-0 CAA), 317
20. Mercer (1-1), 240
21. Northern Iowa (0-1), 190
22. Rhode Island (0-1), 167
23. Florida A&M (1-0), 154
24. Southern Illinois (1-0), 152
25. Youngstown State (1-0), 103
Dropped Out: Richmond (18), Eastern Kentucky (24), Gardner-Webb (25)
Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Eastern Kentucky (0-1) 90; Richmond (0-1) 89; Central Arkansas (0-1) 78; Gardner-Webb (0-1) 67; Villanova (1-0) 66; Elon (0-1) 40; UT Martin (0-1) 38; Abilene Christian (1-0) 32; Morgan State (1-0) 31; UAlbany (1-1) 22; Yale (0-0) 13; Jackson State (1-1) 12; Tarleton (1-0) 9; St. Thomas (1-0) 7; Saint Francis (0-1) 3
University of West Georgia joins the ASUN & UAC. With UTRGV coming on board, UWG would bring the UAC to 11. Would they grab one more and move to 12 ?
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I doubt anything happens with this, but it's a cool idea.
I think they are courting West Florida.BigJack85 said:
University of West Georgia joins the ASUN & UAC. With UTRGV coming on board, UWG would bring the UAC to 11. Would they grab one more and move to 12 ?
If we do get West Florida, the UAC will be the FCS version of the SEC and what a fertile recruiting ground it will be.
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Florida
Arkansas
Now we just need a Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and a South Carolina.
SFAXE93 said:I think they are courting West Florida.BigJack85 said:
University of West Georgia joins the ASUN & UAC. With UTRGV coming on board, UWG would bring the UAC to 11. Would they grab one more and move to 12 ?
If we do get West Florida, the UAC will be the FCS version of the SEC and what a fertile recruiting ground it will be.
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Florida
Arkansas
Now we just need a Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and a South Carolina.
West Florida makes geographic sense. Have they (W Florida) expressed desire to move to Div 1?
I am unsure about the long-term future of the WAC as it is currently configured. Reality will have to set in eventually, and Seattle and or GCU will end up in the WCC. Seattle leaving = no big deal imho. GCU leaving, would negatively impact the WAC's basketball power. Does SFA move to an ASUN, (not as good as the WAC, > than the Southland)?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Only struggle for West Florida, from someone that now lives in Pensacola…They would have to upgrade facilities. They just started playing football in the their home stadium (tiny, smaller then most HS stadiums these days) but previously used Double A minor league stadium downtown. Not sure capacity. They'd have a decent amount of support though, and it would be nice to watch SFA here in my new backyard.
Next week's opponent nearly knocked off FBS Old Dominion. They were a 2 point conversion away from winning it.
Yes, I watched that game, TAMU looked much improved on defense from their previous games.
The Lions are still struggling on offense though, not sure if they have found their QB in Peter Parish and with 10 QB's on their roster, it is not like they don't have options.
It also doesn't help when you lose your big time playmaker in WR Andrew Armstrong to the portal, who accounted for 1,020 yards receiving and 13 TD's last season. Armstrong had 5 straight 100+ yard games receiving (5 yards short of 7 straight games) in 2022 and that got him noticed on the FBS level (now starting in the SEC at Arkansas with 24 catches 273 yards and 3TD's after 4 games)
The Lions are still struggling on offense though, not sure if they have found their QB in Peter Parish and with 10 QB's on their roster, it is not like they don't have options.
It also doesn't help when you lose your big time playmaker in WR Andrew Armstrong to the portal, who accounted for 1,020 yards receiving and 13 TD's last season. Armstrong had 5 straight 100+ yard games receiving (5 yards short of 7 straight games) in 2022 and that got him noticed on the FBS level (now starting in the SEC at Arkansas with 24 catches 273 yards and 3TD's after 4 games)
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