MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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MasterAxe said:

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TallTexan said:

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Vendetta or incompetence they still swung the game.

If that's your idea of a fairly called game, the Southland is always hiring.

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Then our coaches and players did a poor job adjusting.

Look, I get it...you want to blame the refs. That's your right to do, I respect that.

I choose to say, "We played like ****, especially in the 2nd half of the 2nd half and we deserved to lose."

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Who do you suggest that we should have put in to defend the paint who wasn't at risk of fouling out for... Checks notes... rebounding?

This is your schtick every time. Did SFA play our best game? No. But that's not mutually exclusive from a horse crap called game putting us in an unfair hole.

When I watch two of the best teams in the league play, one of them shouldn't have to fight with a hand tied behind their back.

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Whoa there cowboys.... chill.

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Civilized convo. I respect where people come from, it is just not my way of thinking.

I'll always defend the refs, they got the hardest jobs in sports.

Sure, they miss calls, happens all the time.

But we are constantly blaming them and it just feels like we're afraid to say "Hey, we got our asses kicked, it's ok, let's get back to work to make sure we're not in a position where some bad calls hurt us."

If we play as good as I think we can play (and did against NWST) then we should not be in a spot that refs impact the game.

It happens. We lost. Let's go get the next one.

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You say all of this...basically every game, without understanding that nobody is "blaming" the refs. I still haven't seen one person say we lost because the refs screwed is.

If you (and I mean anyone) can't understand how officiating can swing a game, not because they did it on purpose, but because on how they call a game...then I don't care what level of basketball you officiated or how much you want to defend an official you don't know. You put ANY TEAMS best players in foul trouble, and they are at a disadvantage.

One of my good friends, that is an NCAA official, texted me earlier with only "lol."

Oh ACU also shot 25% from 3.

Everyone here has said how bad we played and how bad our turnovers were. Not sure why you think you constantly need to try to be the person to call everyone out for "blaming officials." I've rarely seen a team lose by 20 on the road while out shooting the home team. The same away team that played less outside (we took 8 threes to their 24) and have a foul discrepancy in the paint like that. Kohl and Pleasant for ACU had three fouls...COMBINED.

But yes....everyone 100% thinks the refs did us in.

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Look, we are not going to agree. I say it every game because every game we lose, oddly, there are people just constantly railing on the refs.

If that's how you want to be, that's ok. That's not me.

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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TallTexan said:

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MasterAxe said:

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TallTexan said:

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Vendetta or incompetence they still swung the game.

If that's your idea of a fairly called game, the Southland is always hiring.

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Then our coaches and players did a poor job adjusting.

Look, I get it...you want to blame the refs. That's your right to do, I respect that.

I choose to say, "We played like ****, especially in the 2nd half of the 2nd half and we deserved to lose."

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Who do you suggest that we should have put in to defend the paint who wasn't at risk of fouling out for... Checks notes... rebounding?

This is your schtick every time. Did SFA play our best game? No. But that's not mutually exclusive from a horse crap called game putting us in an unfair hole.

When I watch two of the best teams in the league play, one of them shouldn't have to fight with a hand tied behind their back.

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Whoa there cowboys.... chill.

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Civilized convo. I respect where people come from, it is just not my way of thinking.

I'll always defend the refs, they got the hardest jobs in sports.

Sure, they miss calls, happens all the time.

But we are constantly blaming them and it just feels like we're afraid to say "Hey, we got our asses kicked, it's ok, let's get back to work to make sure we're not in a position where some bad calls hurt us."

If we play as good as I think we can play (and did against NWST) then we should not be in a spot that refs impact the game.

It happens. We lost. Let's go get the next one.

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You say all of this...basically every game, without understanding that nobody is "blaming" the refs. I still haven't seen one person say we lost because the refs screwed is.

If you (and I mean anyone) can't understand how officiating can swing a game, not because they did it on purpose, but because on how they call a game...then I don't care what level of basketball you officiated or how much you want to defend an official you don't know. You put ANY TEAMS best players in foul trouble, and they are at a disadvantage.

One of my good friends, that is an NCAA official, texted me earlier with only "lol."

Oh ACU also shot 25% from 3.

Everyone here has said how bad we played and how bad our turnovers were. Not sure why you think you constantly need to try to be the person to call everyone out for "blaming officials." I've rarely seen a team lose by 20 on the road while out shooting the home team. The same away team that played less outside (we took 8 threes to their 24) and have a foul discrepancy in the paint like that. Kohl and Pleasant for ACU had three fouls...COMBINED.

But yes....everyone 100% thinks the refs did us in.

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Look, we are not going to agree. I say it every game because every game we lose, oddly, there are people just constantly railing on the refs.

If that's how you want to be, that's ok. That's not me.

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There is 0 problem with any human being calling out bad officiating in any game, of any sport.

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Never said there was.

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Refs were awful. ACU is a better team. Turnovers! They need to learn to play together. To many! Learn to shoot and hit free throws.
They out rebounded and shot ACU. Take half the fouls away and they still lose double figures.
ACU out hustled these guys. I do not mind a loss, but not to effort. Terrible calls or not...effort.
Right now they are 3-4 in the 2nd worst conference in D1. Keller has to create something to keep these seniors next year. Top it off with guard play. David's offense is good. He's a liability with high pressure on ball defense and his own defense. Ware has a nice mid range game. Both are complimentary players as displayed last year.

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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BigJack85 said:

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TallTexan said:

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MasterAxe said:

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TallTexan said:

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Vendetta or incompetence they still swung the game.

If that's your idea of a fairly called game, the Southland is always hiring.

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Then our coaches and players did a poor job adjusting.

Look, I get it...you want to blame the refs. That's your right to do, I respect that.

I choose to say, "We played like ****, especially in the 2nd half of the 2nd half and we deserved to lose."

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Who do you suggest that we should have put in to defend the paint who wasn't at risk of fouling out for... Checks notes... rebounding?

This is your schtick every time. Did SFA play our best game? No. But that's not mutually exclusive from a horse crap called game putting us in an unfair hole.

When I watch two of the best teams in the league play, one of them shouldn't have to fight with a hand tied behind their back.

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Whoa there cowboys.... chill.

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Civilized convo. I respect where people come from, it is just not my way of thinking.

I'll always defend the refs, they got the hardest jobs in sports.

Sure, they miss calls, happens all the time.

But we are constantly blaming them and it just feels like we're afraid to say "Hey, we got our asses kicked, it's ok, let's get back to work to make sure we're not in a position where some bad calls hurt us."

If we play as good as I think we can play (and did against NWST) then we should not be in a spot that refs impact the game.

It happens. We lost. Let's go get the next one.

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You say all of this...basically every game, without understanding that nobody is "blaming" the refs. I still haven't seen one person say we lost because the refs screwed is.

If you (and I mean anyone) can't understand how officiating can swing a game, not because they did it on purpose, but because on how they call a game...then I don't care what level of basketball you officiated or how much you want to defend an official you don't know. You put ANY TEAMS best players in foul trouble, and they are at a disadvantage.

One of my good friends, that is an NCAA official, texted me earlier with only "lol."

Oh ACU also shot 25% from 3.

Everyone here has said how bad we played and how bad our turnovers were. Not sure why you think you constantly need to try to be the person to call everyone out for "blaming officials." I've rarely seen a team lose by 20 on the road while out shooting the home team. The same away team that played less outside (we took 8 threes to their 24) and have a foul discrepancy in the paint like that. Kohl and Pleasant for ACU had three fouls...COMBINED.

But yes....everyone 100% thinks the refs did us in.

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Look, we are not going to agree. I say it every game because every game we lose, oddly, there are people just constantly railing on the refs.

If that's how you want to be, that's ok. That's not me.

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There is 0 problem with any human being calling out bad officiating in any game, of any sport.

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Never said there was.

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Sorry man, but that's exactly what you are saying.

You seem to need to respond to anyone that thinks there's a bad call in a game.

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Technically, not true. I went back and counted, there were at least 24 posts about officials during the course of the game. (I was conservative in counting cause I was not sure on some what people were referencing).

I did not respond to any of them.

I'm just not totally in love with the fact that some, not all, want to jump right to refs issues before looking at our own.

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Sfa05 said:

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Have to beat Sam! Sam can shoot. We have terrible perimeter defense. I personally link that to effort but am wrong at times. I feel that way because we have athletes.
Comeaux looks more and more valuable every game. Pinky looks more and more valuable every game.
I dislike the inconsistency of Keller's team every other year. Again, I'm responding to a 9-3 team. My emotions may be clouding my judgement right now.

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Sfa05 said:

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Have to beat Sam! Sam can shoot. We have terrible perimeter defense. I personally link that to effort but am wrong at times. I feel that way because we have athletes.
Comeaux looks more and more valuable every game. Pinky looks more and more valuable every game.
I dislike the inconsistency of Keller's team every other year. Again, I'm responding to a 9-3 team. My emotions may be clouding my judgement right now.

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Reading all the comments, it certainly seems like we all saw the same game. Was it the refs fault? I really can't say, but it certainly seems to me when two teams are competing with similar styles and one team has twice as many fouls (midway through the second half, SFA had 22 fouls, ACU 11), you can either call it an anomaly (as has been posited) or it just just flat out ineptitude. Our five bigs had 20 fouls and one technical. Their big three, Pleasant, Kohl and Gayman had three fouls COMBINED. Our game was played in the paint since we only took 8 threes and their bigs have only three fouls?
One innocuous play that stood out was a rebound put back by Kohl. Kachelries had position on Kohl, but since Kohl is so big, he could have just reached up and grabbed the ball without fouling. Instead, he gives Kachelries an forearm shiver and sends him toward the out of bounds line, then rebounds and puts it back. I re-watched most of the game, had the refs been consistent in their calling, Kohl would have fouled out just after halftime. And that's being objective. When I coached, all I asked was consistency. That was severely lacking last night.
And I challenge anyone who wants to ardently defend the refs to answer this question: How would the game have gone if Kohl, Gayman and Pleasant were forced into long stints on the bench together?
ACU's defense is very good. They had terrific ball denial, so all due credit goes to them. But when two evenly matched teams play and the home team wins by 20 and the visiting team outshoots the home team, something is amiss. The final foul total was 25-19 SFA, but as I said, at one point, it was 22-11. ACU's last seven fouls were committed after ACU already had a 14+ point lead.
Lastly, on the Solomon technical. This exact situation occurred when I coached (middle school and freshmen). There was a scrum on the floor and tempers were raised. One of my players was watching and did not participate in the scrum and gave no indication he was going to participate (same as Solomon). The ref placed his hand on my player and started to push him back and he swatted at the ref and was ejected. I appealed to the league and ref was suspended and the league said the ref had no business touching my player. Calvin was probably already aggravated over the disparate foul calls, which led to his visceral reaction, but just as players can't touch refs, the opposite is true unless there is good reason and, in this case, there was no reason for the ref to initiate contact. Just my two cents.

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MasterAxe said:

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I see I am making friends.

It appears the board has turned on me.

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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I see I am making friends.

It appears the board has turned on me.

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I'm adding an asterisks to my posts that involve bad calls just so it's clear that I'm not actually blaming the refs.

Nobody has turned on you, but like everyone has said, just because someone mentions a bad call that impacts a play...doesn't mean we're overlooking other aspects. I've never seen anyone since I started this forum blame an actual loss in any sport, on officiating.

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And just because I don't sit here and criticize the refs constantly, does not mean I don't think there are bad calls.

I choose to look at facts. We left 23 points on the table.

-12 3 Point FG's
-11 on missed free throws.

Those things are independent of any officiating issues that may occur.

I see way more..."If only the game was called fair!" posts than I do "Well, Gavin and Nigel went 6-14 from the line, that's not winning basketball."

We are just not going to agree. I just don't think the officials influence the game as much as others do. I think we influence our own game.

Even you said it looked like we gave up.

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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PurpleOut said:

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MasterAxe said:

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I see I am making friends.

It appears the board has turned on me.

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I'm adding an asterisks to my posts that involve bad calls just so it's clear that I'm not actually blaming the refs.

Nobody has turned on you, but like everyone has said, just because someone mentions a bad call that impacts a play...doesn't mean we're overlooking other aspects. I've never seen anyone since I started this forum blame an actual loss in any sport, on officiating.

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And just because I don't sit here and criticize the refs constantly, does not mean I don't think there are bad calls.

I choose to look at facts. We left 23 points on the table.

-12 3 Point FG's
-11 on missed free throws.

Those things are independent of any officiating issues that may occur.

I see way more..."If only the game was called fair!" posts than I do "Well, Gavin and Nigel went 6-14 from the line, that's not winning basketball."

We are just not going to agree. I just don't think the officials influence the game as much as others do. I think we influence our own game.

Even you said it looked like we gave up.

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We gave up at the end. You're still missing the point, everyone's point, on how the game was called that led up to that point.

I'm not sure what else to tell you if you don't understand everyone's point on how any game can be called a certain way that would eventually influence how the rest of the game goes and eventually the outcome. We don't have to post the same stats on missing FTs at the same time...we still (all of us) mentioned that. Do you not see the point of how our game plan and style can be/was altered with every single big man in foul trouble...in the first half?

Hell, I've seen the same really bad called games go in our favor in Nac over the years.

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Then we must adjust. KK gets alot of money to manage game flow.

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