I am beyond devastated.
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I am beyond devastated.
I mean, how can it not. We've got one year to play for post-season then OUT. So a JUCO guy only gets on shot and an incoming freshman (1) probably does not play a ton year one, then (2) No post-season, then has just two years to make it work.SFA Jack Fanatic said:
One of the MBB coaches just said that today's news could kill recruiting.
I am beyond devastated.
Then you absolutely know the NCAA and their minions will be all over the numbers each year.
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Don't disagree, but just to play the other side, there's no guarantee to make the tournament. Especially every year.MasterAxe said:I mean, how can it not. We've got one year to play for post-season then OUT. So a JUCO guy only gets on shot and an incoming freshman (1) probably does not play a ton year one, then (2) No post-season, then has just two years to make it work.SFA Jack Fanatic said:
One of the MBB coaches just said that today's news could kill recruiting.
I am beyond devastated.
Then you absolutely know the NCAA and their minions will be all over the numbers each year.
Our best scorer in D1 History only played in 1 NCAA Tournament game. Things happen.
I think the hardest part about this for recruiting, is how much the other coaches that we are battling against will use it against us.
Don't disagree. I'd like to think that we could counter an "anti-SFA" recruiting methods by saying "look at the banners, look at the facilities, sign the paper."PurpleOut said:Don't disagree, but just to play the other side, there's no guarantee to make the tournament. Especially every year.MasterAxe said:I mean, how can it not. We've got one year to play for post-season then OUT. So a JUCO guy only gets on shot and an incoming freshman (1) probably does not play a ton year one, then (2) No post-season, then has just two years to make it work.SFA Jack Fanatic said:
One of the MBB coaches just said that today's news could kill recruiting.
I am beyond devastated.
Then you absolutely know the NCAA and their minions will be all over the numbers each year.
Our best scorer in D1 History only played in 1 NCAA Tournament game. Things happen.
I think the hardest part about this for recruiting, is how much the other coaches that we are battling against will use it against us.
But again, it's got to start being kids that can graduate.
Can we still win the conference championship during the ban year?
Regular season only.No-look said:
Can we still win the conference championship during the ban year?
An embarrassment that isn't just short term, but will last a while in overall department perception by most who will just see a headline. This is something I expect from Prison Tech, not us.
No-look said:
Can we still win the conference championship during the ban year?
Goal: destroy the conference in a year we can't play in the NCAA and then let them hold the conference tourney knowing they're still second best.
I would be disappointed at any of our coaches saying that. It is such a defeatist attitude. There is still a lot of positives about the program to sell. The positives are still there. Tough challenges call for enhanced leadership.SFA Jack Fanatic said:
One of the MBB coaches just said that today's news could kill recruiting.
I am beyond devastated.
Spot on.TallTexan said:No-look said:
Can we still win the conference championship during the ban year?
Goal: destroy the conference in a year we can't play in the NCAA and then let them hold the conference tourney knowing they're still second best.
Well, at least it's just for one year. We can overcome
76 you are so correct.. I hope its not who I am thinking it is being negative..SFAJack_76 said:I would be disappointed at any of our coaches saying that. It is such a defeatist attitude. There is still a lot of positives about the program to sell. The positives are still there. Tough challenges call for enhanced leadership.SFA Jack Fanatic said:
One of the MBB coaches just said that today's news could kill recruiting.
I am beyond devastated.
I would be a pissed off HC if one of my assistants was talking negatively about the situation..SFA Jack Fanatic said:
One of the MBB coaches just said that today's news could kill recruiting.
I am beyond devastated.
TallTexan said:
Goal: destroy the conference in a year we can't play in the NCAA and then let them hold the conference tourney knowing they're still second best.
Exactly, Texan!
I would be careful about naming names. I believe a couple of those were not on scholarship. They don't count on APR. Augustin was still in school all this year, and was an assistant at Nacogdoches High. Hopefully, he is close to graduating.
Jovan graduated a year after he finished playing. Canete came back to get his degree after being out for a year. Amongst this morass, there are positive stories.
Jovan graduated a year after he finished playing. Canete came back to get his degree after being out for a year. Amongst this morass, there are positive stories.
It does, but that is not unique to us. There are currently 909 D1 transfers this year across 350 teams.CertifiedAxeman98 said:
Agreed having players come in and leave early hurts us here.
You are absolutely correct. It means, however, that the ones that stayed just simply were not doing what was required in school to keep us at the eligibility number.SFAJack_76 said:It does, but that is not unique to us. There are currently 909 D1 transfers this year across 350 teams.CertifiedAxeman98 said:
Agreed having players come in and leave early hurts us here.
The argument of "who's at fault" is valid, but whatever was happening, it was happening at the admin/athlete level.
I'll be curious to see if this is still under negotiation or if this is the result of negotiations.
Come Thursday we will know alot more on "who's at fault"...MasterAxe said:You are absolutely correct. It means, however, that the ones that stayed just simply were not doing what was required in school to keep us at the eligibility number.SFAJack_76 said:It does, but that is not unique to us. There are currently 909 D1 transfers this year across 350 teams.CertifiedAxeman98 said:
Agreed having players come in and leave early hurts us here.
The argument of "who's at fault" is valid, but whatever was happening, it was happening at the admin/athlete level.
nacluth said:
I'll be curious to see if this is still under negotiation or if this is the result of negotiations.
I'm curious to know this as well.
As much as I want it to happen, there is a zero percent chance that "names are named."Jacks4460 said:Come Thursday we will know alot more on "who's at fault"...MasterAxe said:You are absolutely correct. It means, however, that the ones that stayed just simply were not doing what was required in school to keep us at the eligibility number.SFAJack_76 said:It does, but that is not unique to us. There are currently 909 D1 transfers this year across 350 teams.CertifiedAxeman98 said:
Agreed having players come in and leave early hurts us here.
The argument of "who's at fault" is valid, but whatever was happening, it was happening at the admin/athlete level.
At least publicly.
I've already had 2 people contact me and ask what's going on. When I explained it, both responses were "man, that discredits everything they've done in the last several years"
I am just....ugh...so frustrated, sad, embarrassed...you name it!
I am just....ugh...so frustrated, sad, embarrassed...you name it!
I agree maybe no names but certain positions might be mentioned in the NCAA infractions case...MasterAxe said:As much as I want it to happen, there is a zero percent chance that "names are named."Jacks4460 said:Come Thursday we will know alot more on "who's at fault"...MasterAxe said:You are absolutely correct. It means, however, that the ones that stayed just simply were not doing what was required in school to keep us at the eligibility number.SFAJack_76 said:It does, but that is not unique to us. There are currently 909 D1 transfers this year across 350 teams.CertifiedAxeman98 said:
Agreed having players come in and leave early hurts us here.
The argument of "who's at fault" is valid, but whatever was happening, it was happening at the admin/athlete level.
At least publicly.
I would say the result of the negotiations.. NCAA has known about this for a good while now.. Pretty sure we self reported. Which is the right thing to do when you come upon a mess like this..nacluth said:
I'll be curious to see if this is still under negotiation or if this is the result of negotiations.
I have had people tell me the same.. Just feel bad for the kids...Pilotgirl said:
I've already had 2 people contact me and ask what's going on. When I explained it, both responses were "man, that discredits everything they've done in the last several years"
I am just....ugh...so frustrated, sad, embarrassed...you name it!
I look forward to watching the Ladyjacks play in Katy 21-22.
RedRiverLa said:
I look forward to watching the Ladyjacks play in Katy 21-22.
With, I hope, the largest ever SFA fan base. Let's push hard for that in 2022. People can stay at my house!
Negotiations are done.nacluth said:
I'll be curious to see if this is still under negotiation or if this is the result of negotiations.
I understand why they would say that, but it doesn't.Pilotgirl said:
I've already had 2 people contact me and ask what's going on. When I explained it, both responses were "man, that discredits everything they've done in the last several years"
I am just....ugh...so frustrated, sad, embarrassed...you name it!
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Agreed.Pilotgirl said:
I've already had 2 people contact me and ask what's going on. When I explained it, both responses were "man, that discredits everything they've done in the last several years"
I am just....ugh...so frustrated, sad, embarrassed...you name it!
I had to charge my phone hours ago.
SLC Football just got interesting.
SFA and McNeese both on bans for upcoming season. Not that we would have won the conference, but McNeese could have.
Link has story with other schools getting banned: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/stephen-f-austin-among-four-division-i-programs-hit-with-ncaa-tournament-bans-for-poor-apr-scores/
Its a lot of SWAC, MEAC and then the two SLC representatives
SFA and McNeese both on bans for upcoming season. Not that we would have won the conference, but McNeese could have.
Link has story with other schools getting banned: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/stephen-f-austin-among-four-division-i-programs-hit-with-ncaa-tournament-bans-for-poor-apr-scores/
Its a lot of SWAC, MEAC and then the two SLC representatives
Did some homework, this is a link to the past few years of SFA basketball APR report:
https://web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/aprsearch
The threshold is 930...our "clerical error" had us reporting in the mid to high 900's...and we dropped to 810 (yikes) when the error was found.
The error was covering up a massive issue in basketball, one that (I assume) is similar in football and baseball.
https://web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/aprsearch
The threshold is 930...our "clerical error" had us reporting in the mid to high 900's...and we dropped to 810 (yikes) when the error was found.
The error was covering up a massive issue in basketball, one that (I assume) is similar in football and baseball.
I've read about some schools putting in for a waiver to combat this. Any chance of us doing that?
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