WEEK 12: #8 UIW

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STEPHEN F. AUSTIN STATE (6-4; 4-2) VS. #6 INCARNATE WORD (8-2; 5-0)

WHEN: Nov. 16 (SAT.) 2:00 P.M.
WHERE: Nacogdoches, Texas (Homer Bryce Stadium)
TV: ESPN+

FOOTBALL HISTORY VS INCARNATE WORD FROM SEPTEMBER 6, 2014 - NOVEMBER 27, 2021

WINS: 5
LOSSES: 2
TIES: 0

Home Record: 4-0
Streak: 1-Loss

The series has been tied in the last 4 meetings

L: 28-35 OT (Neutral) 2021
W: 31-24 (Home) 2019
L: 7-31 (Away) 2018
W: 37-31 (Home) 2017

What an amazing run the Cardinals have had since the 2021 season, putting together a 23-3 record in conference play, two conference championships (most likely three), and soon to be their 3rd Division I FCS playoff birth in the last 4 seasons, and all with three different head coaches in that time frame.

2024: 5-0; 8-2; Current Ranking #8
2023: 6-1; 9-2; Final Ranking #22
2022: 5-1; 12-2; SLC Champions; Semifinals; Final Ranking #3
2021: 7-1; 10-3; SLC Champions; Quarterfinals; Final Ranking #12

The Cardinals of Incarnate Word are a perfect 5-0 in conference play, currently riding a 7- game win streak into Nacogdoches to take on the Lumberjacks of SFA.

UIW's two road losses came earlier in the season to #1 South Dakota State (24-45) and #8 Southern Illinois (28-35).

The Cardinals are lead by pre-season Walter Payton Award and past finalist Zach Calzada, the Texas A&M transfer from Buford, Georgia. Calzada now leads the nation in touchdown passes (29) after completing 23 passes for a season high 402 yards and 5 TD's last Saturday against Lamar. For the season Calzada has completed 247 passes for 2,813 yards with only 4 INT's.

The offense averages 38-points a game with 165 rushing yards and 288 passing yards a game.

The SFA secondary will be put to the test against a talented receiving group lead by WR Jalen Walthall who leads the team in receiving yards with 996 yards and 13 TD's, along with WR Roy Alexander who leads the team in catches with 65 to go along with his 813 yards receiving and 10 TD's.

On the ground the Cardinals have Longview, Texas native and leading rusher Dekalon Taylor with 835 yards (6.0 average) and 8 TD's.

UIW on defense gives up 23-points a game, 140 yards on the ground and 230 through the air. As a team they have 68 TFL's and 27 sacks with 10 INTs.

This will be look at, as the what could have been season with the Lumberjacks, who were firing on all pistons going into the final 3-games of the season. So many close losses to discuss and some of them under the most strangest of occurrences.

It will also be interesting to see how SFA bounces back and performs, going from loosing to the worst team in the conference, to taking on the best.

Axe'Em
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Hard to think we have a chance in this one. Every athletic endeavor involves injuries. The Lumberjacks as an athletics program seem to be highly susceptible to injuries.

I am pointing to the last couple years of Lumberjack basketball and to a lesser degree women's basketball. What is going on with our conditioning. Am I barking up the wrong tree.
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
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Every team has injuries. East Texas announcers last night said the 22 starting offensive players was up to 39 different starters due to all the injuries they have had.
Our problem was/ is that our star QB got hurt on a run at Nicholls and obviously couldn't play yesterday and perhaps rest of season. Then we had to go to our backup who had 5 days to prepare and the lack of experience showed. Some coaching moves did not help him any. I don't believe SFA football has any more injuries than anybody else.

Now you may have a point on MBB. We seem to have more than our share of injuries there, but I don't really know as I don't follow other basketball programs.
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It's hard to consistently win with your best players injured, and as you said, for whatever reason SFA tends to have that issue across the board every year.

It's hard to really judge the fault for it. Could it be conditioning? Maybe. But I'd chalk it up more to no one else's fault but bad luck. Many of the consistent injuries we've had aren't things that can be avoided by conditioning. The football/basketball gods just have not been a big SFA fan the past few seasons in terms of our guys staying healthy.

On to UIW it's simple. With Vidlak we have a chance. Without him, I just don't think we can keep up. We probably would've had to win a shootout, and Vidlak's gun shoots a lot straighter than Rutherford's.

Vidlak might benefit from sitting the remainder of the year anyway, heal up, and get ready for next fall. The playoffs are gone now, so these last two games are just a formality at this point.
SFASawmillGuy
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Knowing SFA football and college football like I do now that the game doesn't mean anything I'm sure we'll probably end up beating UIW.
BigJack85
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SFASawmillGuy said:

Knowing SFA football and college football like I do now that the game doesn't mean anything I'm sure we'll probably end up beating UIW.


Sawmill Guy,

We need some karma.
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
SFAXE93
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He is going to be difficult to stop.
Jacks6
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Funny to reflect that the last time the Jacks took on UIW, it was against current Heisman hopeful Cam Ward... Despite the loss, it was a close game even going up against a really good Q. I know without Vidlak that it's a long shot but is it time for our get-back?
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UIW rises to #6 in the latest polls, while ACU is now at #14, taking on #13 Tarleton State this Saturday.
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Fingers crossed.
SFASawmillGuy
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AxeEm99
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So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
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AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.
AxeEm99
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I truly hope that McBroom, Weaver and the UT System will not settle for Top 3 mediocrity while Tarleton, ACU, IW, continue achieving success!!
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SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.
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MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Where they realistic aspirations though?

I mean maybe someone comes in and wins next year, that can always happen with a coaching change, but SFA past history doesn't point to us having good support systems for sustained success.
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TallTexan said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Where they realistic aspirations though?

I mean maybe someone comes in and wins next year, that can always happen with a coaching change, but SFA past history doesn't point to us having good support systems for sustained success.


It all depends on who you hire. If you hire a coach that already has a North Dakota State or proven winner type pedigree (ie: KC Keeler from Delaware) you win championships and go far. If you keep hiring like SFA has done over and over, our wheels will still be spinning 28 years from now.
Our AD and President needs to step it up. It will increase our enrollment and change the entire culture of the University If we invest in a real proven winner!!!
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MasterAxe2
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TallTexan said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Where they realistic aspirations though?

I mean maybe someone comes in and wins next year, that can always happen with a coaching change, but SFA past history doesn't point to us having good support systems for sustained success.


I'm told constantly on this board that we have all this mega talent. So, my realistic expectation is to win conference championships, not lose to directional Louisiana schools and East Texas A&M.

That seems like a reasonable request, correct?

Maybe, just maybe, we aren't as talented as we think we are. This is beyond frustrating at this point.

As someone previously posted, it would be very on brand of SFA to lose to ETAMU and then beat UIW.

That way we can all deam about next year being the year.
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MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Let's pump the breaks on the Conque comparisons. Although there hasn't been a difference in playoff appearances, Conque only had one winning season and then got blown out in his lone playoff game. Yes our expectations are high for the Jacks, but as football fans, do we not already know what happens to teams when their starting QB goes down? I mean come on. If Vidlak played last Saturday, none of these heated discussions would be happening.

Yes I do believe that was an extremely ugly loss, one of SFA's worst in modern history. I think it would be extremely alarming if Vidlak played & we ended with the same outcome but that's not the case.
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AxeEm99 said:

TallTexan said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Where they realistic aspirations though?

I mean maybe someone comes in and wins next year, that can always happen with a coaching change, but SFA past history doesn't point to us having good support systems for sustained success.


It all depends on who you hire. If you hire a coach that already has a North Dakota State or proven winner type pedigree (ie: KC Keeler from Delaware) you win championships and go far. If you keep hiring like SFA has done over and over, our wheels will still be spinning 28 years from now.
Our AD and President needs to step it up. It will increase our enrollment and change the entire culture of the University If we invest in a real proven winner!!!
I hear your opinion, but that sounds a lot easier said then done. It's easy to get a winning coach to a winning program. Ultimately, who wants to come to Nac to really change the whole trajectory of a program? Although Carthel has not flipped the program, it's easily a better team than it was prior to Carthel.

Also who is really investing like that into this program?? Cause it would take some millions, lol.
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Jacks6 said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Let's pump the breaks on the Conque comparisons. Although there hasn't been a difference in playoff appearances, Conque only had one winning season and then got blown out in his lone playoff game. Yes our expectations are high for the Jacks, but as football fans, do we not already know what happens to teams when their starting QB goes down? I mean come on. If Vidlak played last Saturday, none of these heated discussions would be happening.

Yes I do believe that was an extremely ugly loss, one of SFA's worst in modern history. I think it would be extremely alarming if Vidlak played & we ended with the same outcome but that's not the case.
I'm just gonna throw this out there, just my opinion.

If a starting QB goes down, sucks. But, I would then expect our coaches to scheme up a gameplan for the backups and for our allegedly talented roster to make up for it and not lose to a 1-8 team.

Anyone see any of that happening?

Seems reasonable, correct?

Maybe I am just way off base. Maybe I'm the dumb one for believing. Maybe I should be super happy that we tried hard and finished 3rd in the Southland.
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MasterAxe2 said:

Jacks6 said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Let's pump the breaks on the Conque comparisons. Although there hasn't been a difference in playoff appearances, Conque only had one winning season and then got blown out in his lone playoff game. Yes our expectations are high for the Jacks, but as football fans, do we not already know what happens to teams when their starting QB goes down? I mean come on. If Vidlak played last Saturday, none of these heated discussions would be happening.

Yes I do believe that was an extremely ugly loss, one of SFA's worst in modern history. I think it would be extremely alarming if Vidlak played & we ended with the same outcome but that's not the case.
I'm just gonna throw this out there, just my opinion.

If a starting QB goes down, sucks. But, I would then expect our coaches to scheme up a gameplan for the backups and for our allegedly talented roster to make up for it and not lose to a 1-8 team.

Anyone see any of that happening?

Seems reasonable, correct?

Maybe I am just way off base. Maybe I'm the dumb one for believing. Maybe I should be super happy that we tried hard and finished 3rd in the Southland.
Now I do agree with you here and I think it's a reasonable thought. Obviously Rutherford was not sharp whatsoever, and one would think the coaches would already have this general idea heading into the game.

Playing devils advocate to the argument though, and I know this could be silly comparison, but look at the current Miami Dolphins. I think we could all agree that they have an extremely talented roster, maybe one of the league's best. Yet, they could not score a dang point with Tua's absence, EVEN with a bright offensive mind in Mike McDaniel AND Tyreek Hill (Who had 0 TDs in that span of time). They also lost to the Titans in this period, another really bad team.

Overall, it's much easier as spectators to create these opinions, than be the coaches and have to plan with what you're dealt.
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I think Carthel is an excellent person, and most definitely a player's coach BUT all those qualities don't win football games or benefit a University. Our competition is running away with the benefits only a winning football program can bring and we need to move forward and make it happen. We are already many years behind!!
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AxeEm99 said:

I think Carthel is an excellent person, and most definitely a player's coach BUT all those qualities don't win football games or benefit a University. Our competition is running away with the benefits only a winning football program can bring and we need to move forward and make it happen. We are already many years behind!!
What positive steps are you taking? Are you going to games? Have you contributed NIL dollars? Have you made tax deductible donations to the football program that helps improve the student-athlete experience, which helps recruiting and retention? Have you talked to any of the coaches to understand what their needs are to improve results? Have you talked to McBroom? He's very approachable, and is at virtually every game and event.

There are those that just complain, while there are others that do what they can to promote positive change.



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SFAXE93 said:


Looks like another game with Rutherford... Will I watch? Maybe
SCH890
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AxeEm99 said:

TallTexan said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Where they realistic aspirations though?

I mean maybe someone comes in and wins next year, that can always happen with a coaching change, but SFA past history doesn't point to us having good support systems for sustained success.


It all depends on who you hire. If you hire a coach that already has a North Dakota State or proven winner type pedigree (ie: KC Keeler from Delaware) you win championships and go far. If you keep hiring like SFA has done over and over, our wheels will still be spinning 28 years from now.
Our AD and President needs to step it up. It will increase our enrollment and change the entire culture of the University If we invest in a real proven winner!!!
We hired Carhtel after he won the Divison 2 National Championship so Carthel had that success.. He just hasn't translated that to a D1 Level of play. This team always has high potential (besides the Conque years) but atleast finishing in Top 3 with a good resume could put you into a Playoff spot. If we are doing a full redo on coach who would you even try to recruit to come to a small town ETX with low to mid facilites for Football. Atleast basketball has that going for them if we ever let Keller go.
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Jacks6 said:

MasterAxe2 said:

Jacks6 said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Let's pump the breaks on the Conque comparisons. Although there hasn't been a difference in playoff appearances, Conque only had one winning season and then got blown out in his lone playoff game. Yes our expectations are high for the Jacks, but as football fans, do we not already know what happens to teams when their starting QB goes down? I mean come on. If Vidlak played last Saturday, none of these heated discussions would be happening.

Yes I do believe that was an extremely ugly loss, one of SFA's worst in modern history. I think it would be extremely alarming if Vidlak played & we ended with the same outcome but that's not the case.
I'm just gonna throw this out there, just my opinion.

If a starting QB goes down, sucks. But, I would then expect our coaches to scheme up a gameplan for the backups and for our allegedly talented roster to make up for it and not lose to a 1-8 team.

Anyone see any of that happening?

Seems reasonable, correct?

Maybe I am just way off base. Maybe I'm the dumb one for believing. Maybe I should be super happy that we tried hard and finished 3rd in the Southland.
Now I do agree with you here and I think it's a reasonable thought. Obviously Rutherford was not sharp whatsoever, and one would think the coaches would already have this general idea heading into the game.

Playing devils advocate to the argument though, and I know this could be silly comparison, but look at the current Miami Dolphins. I think we could all agree that they have an extremely talented roster, maybe one of the league's best. Yet, they could not score a dang point with Tua's absence, EVEN with a bright offensive mind in Mike McDaniel AND Tyreek Hill (Who had 0 TDs in that span of time). They also lost to the Titans in this period, another really bad team.

Overall, it's much easier as spectators to create these opinions, than be the coaches and have to plan with what you're dealt.
Colby Carthel is paid much more than I am. His job is to have a plan.
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SFAJack_76 said:

AxeEm99 said:

I think Carthel is an excellent person, and most definitely a player's coach BUT all those qualities don't win football games or benefit a University. Our competition is running away with the benefits only a winning football program can bring and we need to move forward and make it happen. We are already many years behind!!
What positive steps are you taking? Are you going to games? Have you contributed NIL dollars? Have you made tax deductible donations to the football program that helps improve the student-athlete experience, which helps recruiting and retention? Have you talked to any of the coaches to understand what their needs are to improve results? Have you talked to McBroom? He's very approachable, and is at virtually every game and event.

There are those that just complain, while there are others that do what they can to promote positive change.







This!
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
AxeEm99
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Thanks for asking!

I will be glad to show you my financial contributions! I also market the University on two vehicles. Do you show your SFA Pride with plates? I also have my Lifetime Alumni Decal on my vehicles. Do you show your SFA Pride with your decal? (Didn't think so!!)

Yes I have contacted McBroom and Weaver because we as alumni deserve better.

Unfortunately due to OT during football season it is hard for me to come to Nac. I watch every game!

Are you happy now?

DONT question my SFA Pride or loyalty! I continue to contribute!! Sometimes I wonder if I should walk away and stop contributing because of people like you!!

Show me some consistent success and and a vision and I, and a lot of others will give A LOT more!! Right now the vision is not there!
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I think what sums up the program for me is that we invest in a very nice field and scoreboard, etc. but our players still walk down a steep dirt worn hill to get to the field. Meaning, we have some sunny days, but in the end, we're still stuck in a muddy rut.
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RedRiverLa said:

I think what sums up the program for me is that we invest in a very nice field and scoreboard, etc. but our players still walk down a steep dirt worn hill to get to the field. Meaning, we have some sunny days, but in the end, we're still stuck in a muddy rut.
The Clemson Tigers run down a hill before every home game, maybe the Lumberjacks could make a similar design.

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MasterAxe2 said:

Jacks6 said:

MasterAxe2 said:

Jacks6 said:

MasterAxe2 said:

SCH890 said:

AxeEm99 said:

So what were the "distractions" before the East Texas A&M game that caused the team not to be prepared? Sounds like there is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Interesting perspective from 4460 yesterday. I agree with some of his thoughts but I am DONE with mediocre at SFA in Football!! I have watched us flounder for 28 years and I am sick of it!
I feel that. I know people want Carthel to be fired. But he is a leader for our team and our atheltes like others have mentioned. If Carthel can atleast stay in the top 3 in the division its a win for me. After so many years in my undergraduate with Conque at the helm and just playing bottom of the barrel football.


We used to aspire to win championships. Now, we're hoping to finish in the top-3.

And for context: Conque and Carthel have the exact same number of playoff appearances.

Let's pump the breaks on the Conque comparisons. Although there hasn't been a difference in playoff appearances, Conque only had one winning season and then got blown out in his lone playoff game. Yes our expectations are high for the Jacks, but as football fans, do we not already know what happens to teams when their starting QB goes down? I mean come on. If Vidlak played last Saturday, none of these heated discussions would be happening.

Yes I do believe that was an extremely ugly loss, one of SFA's worst in modern history. I think it would be extremely alarming if Vidlak played & we ended with the same outcome but that's not the case.
I'm just gonna throw this out there, just my opinion.

If a starting QB goes down, sucks. But, I would then expect our coaches to scheme up a gameplan for the backups and for our allegedly talented roster to make up for it and not lose to a 1-8 team.

Anyone see any of that happening?

Seems reasonable, correct?

Maybe I am just way off base. Maybe I'm the dumb one for believing. Maybe I should be super happy that we tried hard and finished 3rd in the Southland.
Now I do agree with you here and I think it's a reasonable thought. Obviously Rutherford was not sharp whatsoever, and one would think the coaches would already have this general idea heading into the game.

Playing devils advocate to the argument though, and I know this could be silly comparison, but look at the current Miami Dolphins. I think we could all agree that they have an extremely talented roster, maybe one of the league's best. Yet, they could not score a dang point with Tua's absence, EVEN with a bright offensive mind in Mike McDaniel AND Tyreek Hill (Who had 0 TDs in that span of time). They also lost to the Titans in this period, another really bad team.

Overall, it's much easier as spectators to create these opinions, than be the coaches and have to plan with what you're dealt.
Colby Carthel is paid much more than I am. His job is to have a plan.
And so is Mike McDaniel but that comparison obviously did not click.
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RedRiverLa said:

I think what sums up the program for me is that we invest in a very nice field and scoreboard, etc. but our players still walk down a steep dirt worn hill to get to the field. Meaning, we have some sunny days, but in the end, we're still stuck in a muddy rut.


Good analogy!
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