14jacks said:
I have a feeling that Carthel will be gone by next week. Maybe I'm wrong.
Season is over. Throw in the towel. Get a head start on next season. With Sam getting no PT, it speaks volumes about his injury. But even with Rutherford getting the snaps, absolutely winnable game. And the coaches screwed us, yet again.
Move on to next year and the next staff.
MasterAxe2 said:14jacks said:
I have a feeling that Carthel will be gone by next week. Maybe I'm wrong.
Season is over. Throw in the towel. Get a head start on next season. With Sam getting no PT, it speaks volumes about his injury. But even with Rutherford getting the snaps, absolutely winnable game. And the coaches screwed us, yet again.
Move on to next year and the next staff.
Maybe next year….again.
SFA Jack Fanatic said:
If Vidlak doesn't come back, we'll finish the year with three straight losses.
If Rutherford starts next week, we'll lose by 30. Play McElyea. I cannot believe that he could be worse than Rutherford. No way, no how.
MasterAxe2 said:
BTW: the Facebook graphic is up and the comments are…as expected.
In the 5 decades that my family has been associated with SFA this is the worst and most surprising loss I can recall.SFA Jack Fanatic said:
If this is not the worst loss in SFA history, it's in the Top 2 or 3 in my lifetime.
RedRiverLa said:
We sucked. But even so, if we do better clock management at the end of half we get a fg, if we kick an easy fg instead of going on 4th down in the 1st half, and if we kick a fg because that's all we need at the end, we win. When you're playing horrible the coaching has to help you. Once again it failed miserable. The Carthel experiment isn't going to take us anywhere other than middle of the road, and this is the freakin' Southland.
MasterAxe2 said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
If Vidlak doesn't come back, we'll finish the year with three straight losses.
If Rutherford starts next week, we'll lose by 30. Play McElyea. I cannot believe that he could be worse than Rutherford. No way, no how.
We lose by 30 if UIW calls off the dogs.
They may be 50 points better.
BigJack85 said:MasterAxe2 said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
If Vidlak doesn't come back, we'll finish the year with three straight losses.
If Rutherford starts next week, we'll lose by 30. Play McElyea. I cannot believe that he could be worse than Rutherford. No way, no how.
We lose by 30 if UIW calls off the dogs.
They may be 50 points better.
A team CAN'T be that dependent on one player. Mind boggling.
RedRiverLa said:BigJack85 said:MasterAxe2 said:SFA Jack Fanatic said:
If Vidlak doesn't come back, we'll finish the year with three straight losses.
If Rutherford starts next week, we'll lose by 30. Play McElyea. I cannot believe that he could be worse than Rutherford. No way, no how.
We lose by 30 if UIW calls off the dogs.
They may be 50 points better.
A team CAN'T be that dependent on one player. Mind boggling.
100%. And we should still have no problem with a 1-8 team even if we go with QB2.
BigJack85 said:
I thought McNeese was the bottom. Wrong.
It’s unclear if Coach declined the penalty or not.
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Wish the broadcast mic’d him up
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SFASawmillGuy said:
Vidlak was the difference last night between us winning by probably 3+ touchdowns and us losing unfortunately. The receiver did their job creating separation. The line gave Rutherford time to throw. Several wide open passes were overthrown, and I counted at least 3 100% touchdown passes. I'm sure there were more.
The worst part is that Gavin is not that bad. Either they tried to use him as a pocket passer or he chose to try and be pocket passer but they didn't use him properly. Gavin has some wheels and can run. For whatever reason we did not use him in the running game at all and he didn't take advantage of many wide open running lanes when protection broke down.
I don't necessarily blame the coaches for not switching to Mcelyea at any point. Gavin probably practiced with the starters all week and they probably felt he had a better rhythm with the starters than Dalton, who mostly practices with the 3rd string, would. But we didn't change the gameplan hardly at all to fit a different QB's skill set. Even more frustrating is that we are less than a year removed from a QB who had a similar skill set to Gavin, and Chris Ross coached an offense with a running QB before.
It just baffles me that we didn't try to make the offense work with someone who wasn't a pure pocket passer.
I will try to remain hopeful for the future of this team. If we lose Carthel we will lose a lot of these stud players. We have to hope that what Vidlak said to the Daily Sentinel about loving Nac is true, and have to hope that IF we do move on, it's a superstar hire.
I refuse to think it's that hard to bring a consistently winning program to Nacogdoches.
BigJack85 said:SFASawmillGuy said:
Vidlak was the difference last night between us winning by probably 3+ touchdowns and us losing unfortunately. The receiver did their job creating separation. The line gave Rutherford time to throw. Several wide open passes were overthrown, and I counted at least 3 100% touchdown passes. I'm sure there were more.
The worst part is that Gavin is not that bad. Either they tried to use him as a pocket passer or he chose to try and be pocket passer but they didn't use him properly. Gavin has some wheels and can run. For whatever reason we did not use him in the running game at all and he didn't take advantage of many wide open running lanes when protection broke down.
I don't necessarily blame the coaches for not switching to Mcelyea at any point. Gavin probably practiced with the starters all week and they probably felt he had a better rhythm with the starters than Dalton, who mostly practices with the 3rd string, would. But we didn't change the gameplan hardly at all to fit a different QB's skill set. Even more frustrating is that we are less than a year removed from a QB who had a similar skill set to Gavin, and Chris Ross coached an offense with a running QB before.
It just baffles me that we didn't try to make the offense work with someone who wasn't a pure pocket passer.
I will try to remain hopeful for the future of this team. If we lose Carthel we will lose a lot of these stud players. We have to hope that what Vidlak said to the Daily Sentinel about loving Nac is true, and have to hope that IF we do move on, it's a superstar hire.
I refuse to think it's that hard to bring a consistently winning program to Nacogdoches.
All valid points and I agree. Carthel has another year on his contract and we should let him play it out. He (Carthel) has to know that next year the microscope will be on him. As if it isn't already.
My key point with this team is the let down(s). Losing Vidlak was huge. But good teams push through a team like Commerce. We didn't. That gives me solace.
6-6 makes me barf. I'm not optimistic, but Carthel needs to conjure up another win. I'm not certain I see the path with a Gavin.
If, If Carthel can bring back 90% of the crew that beat Nicholls etc , we could be more successful next year. The Lumberjack faithful have been put through some ____ over the past 4-5 years. Let's get some mojo.
MasterAxe2 said:BigJack85 said:SFASawmillGuy said:
Vidlak was the difference last night between us winning by probably 3+ touchdowns and us losing unfortunately. The receiver did their job creating separation. The line gave Rutherford time to throw. Several wide open passes were overthrown, and I counted at least 3 100% touchdown passes. I'm sure there were more.
The worst part is that Gavin is not that bad. Either they tried to use him as a pocket passer or he chose to try and be pocket passer but they didn't use him properly. Gavin has some wheels and can run. For whatever reason we did not use him in the running game at all and he didn't take advantage of many wide open running lanes when protection broke down.
I don't necessarily blame the coaches for not switching to Mcelyea at any point. Gavin probably practiced with the starters all week and they probably felt he had a better rhythm with the starters than Dalton, who mostly practices with the 3rd string, would. But we didn't change the gameplan hardly at all to fit a different QB's skill set. Even more frustrating is that we are less than a year removed from a QB who had a similar skill set to Gavin, and Chris Ross coached an offense with a running QB before.
It just baffles me that we didn't try to make the offense work with someone who wasn't a pure pocket passer.
I will try to remain hopeful for the future of this team. If we lose Carthel we will lose a lot of these stud players. We have to hope that what Vidlak said to the Daily Sentinel about loving Nac is true, and have to hope that IF we do move on, it's a superstar hire.
I refuse to think it's that hard to bring a consistently winning program to Nacogdoches.
All valid points and I agree. Carthel has another year on his contract and we should let him play it out. He (Carthel) has to know that next year the microscope will be on him. As if it isn't already.
My key point with this team is the let down(s). Losing Vidlak was huge. But good teams push through a team like Commerce. We didn't. That gives me solace.
6-6 makes me barf. I'm not optimistic, but Carthel needs to conjure up another win. I'm not certain I see the path with a Gavin.
If, If Carthel can bring back 90% of the crew that beat Nicholls etc , we could be more successful next year. The Lumberjack faithful have been put through some ____ over the past 4-5 years. Let's get some mojo.
"Over the past 4-5 years…"
lol, more like 24-25 years.
Jacks4460 said:
Carthel is going no where.. So stop getting upset and demanding he be fired... He has another year and will have to produce a winning record to stay.. He is so much more than a coach to our players and I respect and love him for that.. Yes I know there have been some questionable calls and bad clock management but that goes along with the game.. To put the blame all on the coaches is not the right thing to do.. Some of these players need to step up and get fixed whatever is broken.. No doubt if Sam was playing last night the outcome would of been way different.. Stop riding the fire Carthel train because the two weeks leading up to this game you all had playoff visions..
