Cool, Jim Boeheim and David Bailiff are on the team.
"History has no rubbish heap." Louis Blake Duff
Head Coach Search for MBB
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SFAJack_76 said:
Same group that did the AD and baseball HC searches.We've partnered with Cardinal Grange to find our next Head Coach for SFA Men’s Basketball! Exciting chance to lead an NCAA Division I program in the Southland Conference!
— SFA Athletics (@SFA_Athletics) January 29, 2025
For details, contact Jim Nichols at jim@cardinalgrange.com.
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Do we have to pay the fee if we hire the West Texas A&M coach?
Bc so far their MO is "hire the guys I used to work with" and honestly, any one of us could have come up with that strategy as a search firm.
It would be interesting to see how many and who applied.
"History has no rubbish heap." Louis Blake Duff
TallTexan said:SFAJack_76 said:
Same group that did the AD and baseball HC searches.We've partnered with Cardinal Grange to find our next Head Coach for SFA Men’s Basketball! Exciting chance to lead an NCAA Division I program in the Southland Conference!
— SFA Athletics (@SFA_Athletics) January 29, 2025
For details, contact Jim Nichols at jim@cardinalgrange.com.
🔗 https://t.co/gPB9Etg6Na#AxeEm x #PressU pic.twitter.com/1OGQIsvCRZ
Do we have to pay the fee if we hire the West Texas A&M coach?
Bc so far their MO is "hire the guys I used to work with" and honestly, any one of us could have come up with that strategy as a search firm.
The search firm is more symbolic than anything. It's the University's way of saying "Noooo, we don't already have our mind made up, it'll definitely be an extensive and fair search with a lot of candidates".
That's not a knock on the University if we do already have our mind made up. But it's doesn't give a good picture of our new AD if it looks like he's just going to fire coaches and hire his old guys without any consideration.
If he is interested, is Brown a legitimate candidate? Based on his resume', of course he is. Is he the best candidate available? Without doing a search, we don't know. It would be really bad business when hiring for one of most visible and important jobs in SFA athletics, and arguably at SFA, if a national search wasn't done. I have great confidence that the search is not just for optics.
They knew exactly who they wanted to hire the day Keller was let go. The "search" has to be done but rest assured the man they want has the job already. After going through this on a smaller scale, the powers that be are ready to sign with their man on the dotted line once the "search" is complete!
I do agree we already have an idea of who we wanted. Since we did fire Keller middle of the season. As much as people may groan that McBroom is hiring his own guys I would say just ignore baseball because who actually would want to take over SFA baseball program? lol no one thats who.jboy93 said:
They knew exactly who they wanted to hire the day Keller was let go. The "search" has to be done but rest assured the man they want has the job already. After going through this on a smaller scale, the powers that be are ready to sign with their man on the dotted line once the "search" is complete!
Basketball is its own breed in of itself. We really know that Brown from WTAMU really is the slam dunk canidate besides a few that are former SFA Assistants.
In short I do hope this is the sign that we may sign Tom Brown from WTAMU. Basketball is to vitale of a sport for SFA to get some random guy who interviews well. Rather getting someone with decorated experience and transforming that into another SLC title and tournament winning for SFA.
If this was accurate, which it isn't, it would be short sighted to put potential candidates through the recruiting and interview process. The university would get a very negative reputation. The candidate pool for the next opening would be weak at best.jboy93 said:
They knew exactly who they wanted to hire the day Keller was let go. The "search" has to be done but rest assured the man they want has the job already. After going through this on a smaller scale, the powers that be are ready to sign with their man on the dotted line once the "search" is complete!
If Brown is the next MBB HC, it's because he's the best candidate, not because it was predetermined.
So what are the things committees look for other than a win/loss record? I have few but would like to hear others ideas.
Win/LossNo-look said:
So what are the things committees look for other than a win/loss record? I have few but would like to hear others ideas.
Recruiting
Success in Post Season
Staff they build around them.
Happens all the time unfortunately. College and pros! We can all agree to disagree!SFAJack_76 said:If this was accurate, which it isn't, it would be short sighted to put potential candidates through the recruiting and interview process. The university would get a very negative reputation. The candidate pool for the next opening would be weak at best.jboy93 said:
They knew exactly who they wanted to hire the day Keller was let go. The "search" has to be done but rest assured the man they want has the job already. After going through this on a smaller scale, the powers that be are ready to sign with their man on the dotted line once the "search" is complete!
If Brown is the next MBB HC, it's because he's the best candidate, not because it was predetermined.
jboy93 said:Happens all the time unfortunately. College and pros! We can all agree to disagree!SFAJack_76 said:If this was accurate, which it isn't, it would be short sighted to put potential candidates through the recruiting and interview process. The university would get a very negative reputation. The candidate pool for the next opening would be weak at best.jboy93 said:
They knew exactly who they wanted to hire the day Keller was let go. The "search" has to be done but rest assured the man they want has the job already. After going through this on a smaller scale, the powers that be are ready to sign with their man on the dotted line once the "search" is complete!
If Brown is the next MBB HC, it's because he's the best candidate, not because it was predetermined.
I have seen this playout many times at the University and college level. The AD already has his man!
At my previous employer, at the college level, there was a national search for a vice chancellor position. My personal friend was reccomended for the job by the search firm. (He was employed at a nearby University). The Chancellor of the College had a personal friend at a different University that got the job AFTER the search firm announced the lone finalist for the position to the staff
Whoever it is, hopefully our new coach will bring success!
I'm assuming that the hire will be made immediately after the bb season?
Thats what McBroom said. He would be ready to hire as soon as the conference tourney is over.No-look said:
I'm assuming that the hire will be made immediately after the bb season?
If Brown is eventually hired I'd personally have a bad taste in my mouth about the 'selection' process. It would carry the stinch of simply another buddy promotion. There are hundreds of MBB programs around the country. The search team would have a hard time convincing me that out of those hundreds of programs and probably several dozen applicants that Brown would magically be the one who floated to the top to be our saviour. If it happens and he turns out to be a great fit for our program, then I'll have a great feast while eating lots of crow.
Search firms are used so if the hire fails, the school points to the firm and says that's who they recommended. Some places follow the firm, others don't. Livingston used a search firm for their new AD/HFC, but ultimately chose someone else.
Arkansas State head coach Bryan Hodgson has agreed to a new 6-year contract worth in excess of $4 million that makes him the highest-paid coach in the Sun Belt, source told @thefieldof68.
— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanHoops) January 30, 2025
The contract basically assures Hodgson won’t leave for a lateral job. It also has a buyout…
Arkansas State extended their coach.
That's over $600,000 a year. A lot more than Keller was making.
So I want to just make this point. If we hire Brown, that's not a bad hire. He's a phenomenal coach with a great resume and I think he'd have success at SFA.
I don't like the whole "it's who you know" hiring mechanic a lot of programs, both pro and college, use, but I think it's what we might be headed towards.
Regardless, if we do hire Brown as we expect, I won't be disappointed and think he will do a good job.
I don't like the whole "it's who you know" hiring mechanic a lot of programs, both pro and college, use, but I think it's what we might be headed towards.
Regardless, if we do hire Brown as we expect, I won't be disappointed and think he will do a good job.
I am personally aware of this situation and it was all about who the guy knew! The "good ol' boy network" working at it's best!cboothe09 said:
Search firms are used so if the hire fails, the school points to the firm and says that's who they recommended. Some places follow the firm, others don't. Livingston used a search firm for their new AD/HFC, but ultimately chose someone else.
The "it's who you know" thing works well when the hire is above average (most of the time). Lateral moves not so much.
I've been on and around hiring search committees. Some were great, most were just ok, some were terrible. The singular determining factor for good hires was not what kind of candidates were available, but how good the hiring committee was at hiring people.
I don't know enough about McBroom and his previous hires, but some people have a gift with finding good hires, some don't. Most throw a dart at the best on-paper resume/reputation. Good luck to the Jacks.
I don't know enough about McBroom and his previous hires, but some people have a gift with finding good hires, some don't. Most throw a dart at the best on-paper resume/reputation. Good luck to the Jacks.
Unless I am mistaken, this is the same firm SFA used for the AD search.
It was the same one for Baseball. Not sure if AD was the same.ljax1979 said:
Unless I am mistaken, this is the same firm SFA used for the AD search.
nacluth said:
I've been on and around hiring search committees. Some were great, most were just ok, some were terrible. The singular determining factor for good hires was not what kind of candidates were available, but how good the hiring committee was at hiring people.
I don't know enough about McBroom and his previous hires, but some people have a gift with finding good hires, some don't. Most throw a dart at the best on-paper resume/reputation. Good luck to the Jacks.
All good points, and accurate from the experience I've had.
Observations about McBroom and some situational thoughts.
*** He seems to me more risk averse, than say Ryan Ivey…. Stating the obvious.
1. The move back to the Southland was made above him (Weaver/Milliken). That being said, McBroom doesn't seem to have "starry eyes" for the Mountain West Conference or other far flung enterprise we might find. Certainly without deeper analysis/commitment. What I'm saying is that his decision making process is very sober
2. Upheaval in college athletics will continue. Instability reigns. Making a safe hire, for our flagship program, may be the most sensible approach.
3. Our combination of men's basketball history/facilities and institutional commitment to athletics says, all things being equal (with a above average coach) we should always be in the top 4-5 in the league. Tom Brown has, if anything been a consistent winner. One thing that makes me discount his success (slightly) is that WTAM is already built like a D1 school playing in a D2 league. It's easier to win when you're well resourced.
4. If we are willing to take more risk, we should consider successful guys at places like Nicholls St or the SWAC. If they can succeed with barely D1 facilities and support, maybe they could elevate a program like SFA
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
Watching Illinois vs Ohio State right now.
Reminds me that Underwood's SFA teams always and I mean always seem to have that 5th gear toward the middle / end of the second half.
Have seen to many recent examples, where it looked like we petered out with 3 or 4 minutes left. Not last night, but a general observation.
Reminds me that Underwood's SFA teams always and I mean always seem to have that 5th gear toward the middle / end of the second half.
Have seen to many recent examples, where it looked like we petered out with 3 or 4 minutes left. Not last night, but a general observation.
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
Just checked on West Texas A&Ms record this year. Since there coach is supposedly going to be the next Lumberjack coach.
Season Record 13-8, Conference Record 8-7. Tied for 5th place in there division.
Not impressive.
https://lonestarconference.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball
Season Record 13-8, Conference Record 8-7. Tied for 5th place in there division.
Not impressive.
https://lonestarconference.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball
Jacks1989 said:
Just checked on West Texas A&Ms record this year. Since there coach is supposedly going to be the next Lumberjack coach.
Season Record 13-8, Conference Record 8-7. Tied for 5th place in there division.
Not impressive.
https://lonestarconference.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball
Ya. But consider his overall record over 9 years.
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
I wonder if his team has had some injuries this year? Why r they struggling?
Jacks1989 said:
I wonder if his team has had some injuries this year? Why r they struggling?
Idk. I haven't paid enough attention to say much. I did notice that many of his key players are fresh/soph.
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
Sure thats one down year. His roster is full of Sophmores and Freshman. 6 Freshman and 3 Sophmores. 9 out of 13 are young under class man. His success long term besides this down year has been fantastic. He is still my number one pick. Only thing I worry about his recruiting strategy since he has stayed local more.Jacks1989 said:
Just checked on West Texas A&Ms record this year. Since there coach is supposedly going to be the next Lumberjack coach.
Season Record 13-8, Conference Record 8-7. Tied for 5th place in there division.
Not impressive.
https://lonestarconference.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball
For the record, I don't think Brown is a bad hire. He may be a good one.
History would suggest that McBroom is pretty good at hiring.
But I just object to paying a large search firm fee if we already know who we want.
History would suggest that McBroom is pretty good at hiring.
But I just object to paying a large search firm fee if we already know who we want.
That would be fiscally irresponsible, wouldn't it. Particularly for an organization that has a very tight budget.TallTexan said:
But I just object to paying a large search firm fee if we already know who we want.
What if…..Coach J takes a team that most of us counted as down and out to the tournament?
I was thinking that as well, if they go all the way, win the SLC tourney and are in the NCAA tourney (big if!) then that would throw a wrench into the whole works into this hiring. I even wonder if McBroom told Jasick, if you turn this thing around, who knows?
"History has no rubbish heap." Louis Blake Duff
We just beat a team in the top half of teams in the nation for the first time. Let's slow the thoughts of winning it all.
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