Holy ****, had to start a new thread.

Just released by SFA. I have included the worst part:

The Level I (Mitigated) sanctions agreed upon by the NCAA and Stephen F. Austin include the following:

• Three years of probation;
• Public reprimand and censure;
• A fine of $5,000 plus one-half of one percent of the total budgets for football and men's basketball;
• The return of 50 percent of the University's financial share earned from participation in the 2016 NCAA Tournament;
• The forfeiture of all records and contests in which an ineligible SFA student-athlete competed, which includes 29 football victories from 2013-2019; 117 men's basketball victories from 2014 to 2019; 112 baseball victories from 2015 to 2019; 31 softball victories from the 2018 season; and adjusted conference championship scores from women's golf, women's track and field, men's cross country and men's track and field.
• Included in the vacation of wins are conference championships in men's basketball in 2014-15, 2015-16 and 2017-18, as well as the program's First Round win in the 2016 NCAA Tournament. The banners recognizing those achievements will be removed from William R. Johnson Coliseum.
• A 2.5% reduction in financial aid awards (scholarships) in football for 2020-2021 and 2021-2022; a 5% reduction in baseball in either 2020-21 or 2021-2022 and the loss of one scholarship in men's basketball in either 2020-2021 or 2021-22.
• Prior to the conclusion of the probationary period, the institution will submit to a data review with APP staff.

Wow....and this is from in house errors....no intentional cheating.....wow

Overkill.

Come on LL there was cheating... or just some serious ass stupidity.. Knew about having to forfeit all those W's..

Take all the banners you want, whatever.

Its the loss of dollars that hurt.

I want banners!!!!

I hope everyone that was involved in creating this issue is gone now.

This sounds like more than Lynn Graves having football players wash his car.

One is still employed with the University... Maybe he saw that it was better to tell what was going on rather than have the NCAA down their throat and wasnt the one making the calls..

BigJack85 said:

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This sounds like more than Lynn Graves having football players wash his car.

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I love Coach Graves.. that man loves his players...

The 2016 return of dollars from the NCAA makes me think that maybe that year had the biggest violations.

So why did it take them so long to realize an issue?

Ivey came in during 2018. Was the person or persons responsible for certifying everything still employed until recently? One person was moved this fall to another department, correct?

Here's the NCAA Public Decision that helps answer a lot of questions from the statement released by Ivey.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/infractions/decisions/May2020INF_StephenFAustinNRPublic.pdf

Man, that's wiping out the entire Underwood era.

None of this would be happening if we were Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, etc.! I AM PISSED!!!!!!

It means Underwood only had one tournament team. At least we still beat VCU, but we can't claim the WVU win. We're no longer the winningest team in Texas or have one of the best home court records. Walkup's career can't be touted. All of our 100 win players are vacated from their records: Jacob, Thomas, Ty, Trey, Dallas.

Keller has not coached a team to the NCAA's. We have no SLC tournament titles since the 2013-2014 season, but it looks like this year's SLC title will stay. Duke counts.

It's seriously affecting how we can bill ourselves.

SFA Jack Fanatic said:

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None of this would be happening if we were Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, etc.! I AM PISSED!!!!!!

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Double standard.

sfajack05 said:

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So why did it take them so long to realize an issue?

Ivey came in during 2018. Was the person or persons responsible for certifying everything still employed until recently? One person was moved this fall to another department, correct?

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Ivey started July 2018. Kara Carpenter, Associate AD for Compliance, started that job in August 2018. The issues were discovered in April 2019, by Kara. I don't know when the previous Associate AD for Academics moved to the faculty position, but it was before the errors were discovered, so prior to April 2019.

This part hurts the most.

"Inform prospects in all affected sports programs in writing that the institution is on probation for three years and detail the violations committed. If a prospect takes an official paid visit, the information regarding violations, penalties and terms of probation must be provided in advance of the visit. Otherwise, the information must be provided before a prospect signs a National Letter of Intent;"

nacluth said:

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It means Underwood only had one tournament team. At least we still beat VCU, but we can't claim the WVU win. We're no longer the winningest team in Texas or have one of the best home court records. Walkup's career can't be touted. All of our 100 win players are vacated from their records: Jacob, Thomas, Ty, Trey, Dallas.

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Ok, so after reading the fine print, the student-athletes can hold whatever individual records they earned as long as they were eligible. It will be interesting to see if anyone ever says if any of these players had to be stripped of their individual records.

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." Through that review, it was determined that the primary problem in the former academic certification process was the institution's failure to consider the degree applicability of transfer credits when certifying transfer student-athletes' academic eligibility. Although these transfer student-athletes largely met NCAA transfer legislation, they failed to meet progress-toward-degree legislation at the institution.

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This makes it sound like we're being punished not for violating NCAA transfer rules, we were in compliance with those, but bc we violated SFA's own rules.

nacluth said:

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It means Underwood only had one tournament team. At least we still beat VCU, but we can't claim the WVU win. We're no longer the winningest team in Texas or have one of the best home court records. Walkup's career can't be touted. All of our 100 win players are vacated from their records: Jacob, Thomas, Ty, Trey, Dallas.

Keller has not coached a team to the NCAA's. We have no SLC tournament titles since the 2013-2014 season, but it looks like this year's SLC title will stay. Duke counts.

It's seriously affecting how we can bill ourselves.

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While technically correct, this is the same vein as "Reggie Bush did not win Heisman in 2005."

We won those games and everyone knows it.

My point is everyone may know it, but we can't say it. I was primarily addressing how we bill ourselves to the nation and potential recruits.

TallTexan said:

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." Through that review, it was determined that the primary problem in the former academic certification process was the institution's failure to consider the degree applicability of transfer credits when certifying transfer student-athletes' academic eligibility. Although these transfer student-athletes largely met NCAA transfer legislation, they failed to meet progress-toward-degree legislation at the institution.

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This makes it sound like we're being punished not for violating NCAA transfer rules, we were in compliance with those, but bc we violated SFA's own rules.

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Well, sort of. We violated the NCAA requirement for meeting progress toward a degree. Transfers may have credits for classes that don't meet this requirement.

SFAJack_76 said:

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TallTexan said:

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." Through that review, it was determined that the primary problem in the former academic certification process was the institution's failure to consider the degree applicability of transfer credits when certifying transfer student-athletes' academic eligibility. Although these transfer student-athletes largely met NCAA transfer legislation, they failed to meet progress-toward-degree legislation at the institution.

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This makes it sound like we're being punished not for violating NCAA transfer rules, we were in compliance with those, but bc we violated SFA's own rules.

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Well, sort of. We violated the NCAA requirement for meeting progress toward a degree. Transfers may have credits for classes that don't meet this requirement.

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In all the world of transfers it's hard to imagine that we're the only ones who ended up not catching this. In fact, I know we're not the only ones.

As a fan of another school, I do not think that the NCAA is blowing it out of proportion. Whether intentional or not, SFA had an extreme competitive advantage over the rest of the SLC. For 6 years and 117 wins SFAMBB played ineligible players. They won three championships that might have gone to other conference schools.

This was a negotiated settlement. It might have been so much worse if Ivey had not taken immediate action when he found out.

Having said that, I am 100% pulling for the Lumberjacks. You now have a terrific AD and solid coaches in football and most other sports. Might be time to clean house in men's basketball, however.

Best wishes to you all.