Horrible pass.

RedRiverLa said:

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Really really poor overthrow of a wide open receiver

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Self is stinking up the place. Playing a terrible game.

After 3 quarters we have 6 first downs

SFA Jack Fanatic said:

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RedRiverLa said:

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Really really poor overthrow of a wide open receiver

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Self is stinking up the place. Playing a terrible game.

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Unfortunately, he's had one beautiful long ball but thats about it.

Their special teams are giving this game to us. There will be some butt-chewing in San Angelo next week. And undoubtedly some in Nacogdoches, too. There had better be!

Self has had a bad game. Part of that is the make shift O line. Still, not good.

Strange game. Up 19 in 4th and offense has been a cluster except for couple of big plays.
Not going to work vs ACU next week.

We desperately need our leader back soon.

Ljacks&Longnecks said:

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Strange game. Up 19 in 4th and offense has been a cluster except for couple of big plays.
Not going to work vs ACU next week.

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A cluster? I think your spell checker must have changed the word "disaster".

Probably still too early to bring in someone else to QB, but Self needs to be replaced.

Let's get Preston Weeks some reps

Poor clock management by Angelo. Thank you.

It's a win. That's all I've got.

Jacks 280 yards of offense. ASU 381 yards.

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We do need to credit the defense tonight. They were on the field a lot tonight and after giving some ground early, really seemed to clamp down as the game wore on. I think those back to back sacks in the 2nd qtr got the D going...that and likely some adjustments by staff.

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Agree.

I didn't think ANYTHING could irritate me more than SF Austin, but Stephen FA did it.

Didn't watch the game. Just looked at the stats. *** ? *** ? Self looked good against UTSA. At least he was making progress. Now I'm totally confused.

It was a mix of drops and just overthrown deep balls.
Overall it was a rough game for him.

First game of the season for the following...

RB:#44 JA'BRAY YOUNG 5-9; 210 FR. (No stats recorded)
TE:#88 LAVAR LINDO 6-4; 224 FR. (Started, no stats recorded)
S:#7 JEREMIAH DAVIS 6-0; 180 JR. G:1;TKL:10;TFL:0.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
CB:#36 ZACH NWACHUKWU 5-8; 186 R/FR. G:1;TKL:1;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0

I agree it was rough for Self. I don't pretend to know everything about football but I was confused by him only looking to and throwing to the left side. It was more obvious tonight. That said, I hate to say too much
negative about players. In my mind, the buck stops with the coaches. Play calling continues to be a mess.

Jumping Jack Flash said:

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In my mind, the buck stops with the coaches. Play calling continues to be a mess.

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You got that right! And welcome to the Forums, Flash!

After 5

QB:#2 TRAE SELF 6-4; 190 JR.
G:5;CMP:72;ATT:128;CP%:56.0%;YDS:982;TD:6;INT:5;RTD:1
QB:#18 PRESTON WEEKS 6-4; 230 SO.
G:2;CMP:4;ATT:6;CP%:67;YDS:62;TD:0;INT:0;RTD:0

RB:#21 DA'LEON WARD 5-10; 180 SR.
G:4;R:48;YDS:246;AVG:5.1;TD:3/REC:5;YDS:21;TD:0
RB:#24 JAQUARION TURNER 5-11; 202 R/FR.
G:5;R:40;YDS:82;AVG:2.1;TD:1/REC:1;YDS:-3;TD:0
RB:#22 JOSH MCGOWEN 5-10; 222 SR.
G:3;R:15;YDS:56;AVG:4.0;TD:0/REC:2;YDS:-4;TD:0
RB:#35 TRE'JON HENDERSON 5-11; 205 R/FR.
G:4;R:9;YDS:33;AVG:4.0;TD:0/REC:1;YDS:14;TD:0
RB:#29 KORBYN WHITE 5-9; 175 FR.
G:4;R:1;YDS:24;AVG:24.0;TD:0/REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0
RB:#44 JA'BRAY YOUNG 5-9; 210 FR.
G:1;R:0;YDS:0;AVG:0.0;TD:0/REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0

WR:#19 XAVIER GIBSON 5-9; 170 SO.
G:5;REC:22;YDS:452;TD:4;PRTD:1
WR:#9 REMI SIMMONS 5-11; 185 SR.
G:5;REC:9;YDS:188;TD:1
WR:#11 JEREMIAH MILLER 6-2; 190 JR.
G:5;REC:9;YDS:92;TD:0
WR:#8 LARRY JONES III 5-9; 185 SR.
G:4;REC:10;YDS:88;TD:0
WR:#15 LAWTON RIKEL 6-1; 175 SO.
G:5;REC:4;YDS:63;TD:1
WR:#85 QUENTYVIAN BORDERS 6-2; 180 JR.
G:2;REC:4;YDS:56;TD:0
WR:#89 TY LOVE 6-2; 181. FR.
G:4;REC:1;YDS:26;TD:0
WR:#47 JOSH ALLISON 6-1; 170 SO.
G:2;REC:2;YDS:19;TD:0
WR:#13 MOE WEDMAN 6-0; 194 FR.
G:3;REC:2;YDS:8;TD:0
WR:#80 JAMES SOWERS 6-4; 200 SO.
G:5;REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0
WR:#17 JOSH THOMPSON 5-10; 185 JR.
G:2;REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0

TE:#82 CHAD AUNE 6-4; 221 R/FR.
G:4;REC:2;YDS:18;TD:0
TE:#86 CARSON SPENCE 6-6; 240 JR.
G:5;REC:1;YDS:6;TD:0
TE:#84 RYAN WAUGH 6-3; 215 SO.
G:2;REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0
TE:#87 ALLEN ARCLES III 6-4; 245 SR.
G:1;REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0
TE:#88 LAVAR LINDO 6-4; 224 FR.
G:1;REC:0;YDS:0;TD:0

OL:#71 ZACH INGRAM 6-7; 275 SR. G:5
OL:#70 JARET PORTERFIELD 6-4; 300 SO. G:4
OL:#65 CLINT LAPIC 6-4; 260 SO. G:4
OL:#66 KEEGAN HOLM 6-4; 285 SO. G:5
OL:#78 DREW BEYMER 6-9; 333 JR. G:3
OL:#51 DANIEL KEYS 6-5; 271 FR. G:3
OL:#74 TERRIN ROBINSON 6-7; 310 JR. G:4
OL:#53 KEEYMON WHITE 6-3; 315 FR. G:3
OL:#79 PJ BRAUN 6-5; 300 JR. G:3
OL:#57 FRANK THOMPSON 6-3; 280 FR. G:1
OL:#72 JUSTICE GUILLORY 6-3; 325 FR. G:2

P:#37 MAX QUICK 5-10; 185 SO.
G:5;P:21;YDS:847;AVG:40.3;LNG:49;IN20:6;TB:0;50+YDS:0
PK:#58 CHRIS CAMPOS 5-10; 220 SO.
G:5;PAT:12-12;FGM-FGA:4-6;LNG:45
PK:#81 DYLAN BROWN 5-6; 150 SO.
G:5;KO:21;YDS:1,078;TB:6;OB:1;AVG:51.3
LS:#46 CHASE RUIZ 5-10; 235 SO.
G:5

DE:#54 AMAD MURRAY 6-3; 245 SO.
G:5;TKL:17;TFL:5.5;SCK:1.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:3;BU:0
DE:#3 BJ THOMPSON 6-6; 210 JR.
G:5;TKL:15;TFL:4.0;SCK:2.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:1;BU:0;INT:1
DE:#42 TERRANCE WAIR 6-1; 230 SO.
G:5;TKL:6;TFL:1.0;SCK:1.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:1;BU:0
DE:#40 MARJE SMITH 6-4; 225 JR.
G:5;TKL:3;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0
DE:#98 CHANCE HILL 6-4; 235 SO.
G:3;TKL:2;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:2;BU:0
DE:#94 QUINTON OWENS 6-3; 230 FR.
G:3;TKL:0;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0

DT:#99 DENNIS OSAGIEDE 6-0; 290 JR.
G:5;TKL:14;TFL:0.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:4;BU:1
DT:#95 CALEB FOX 6-2; 310 FR.
G:5;TKL:8;TFL:3.5;SCK:1.5;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0
DT:#92 LARRON COX 6-2; 282 SR.
G:5;TKL:6;TFL:1.5;SCK:1.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;BLK:1
DT:#91 CARL WILLIAMS 6-2; 356 SO.
G:5;TKL:6;TFL:0.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0
DT:#93 RASON WILLIAMS II 6-4; 270 SO.
G:3;TKL:2;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:1;BU:0
DT:#90 KY THOMAS 6-4; 285 FR.
G:2;TKL:0;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0
DT:#96 BJ SCARLETT 6-2; 240 R/FR.
G:1;TKL:0;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0

LB:#6 BREVIN RANDLE 5-11; 228 SO.
G:5;TKL:34;TFL:4.0;SCK:1.5;FF:0;FR:2;QBH:0;BU:1;INT:1
LB:#39 DARYAN WILLIAMS 5-11; 218 SO.
G:5;TKL:24;TFL:2.0;SCK:1.0;FF:1;FR:0;QBH:1;BU:0
LB:#0 DAYDAY COLEMAN 6-0; 225 JR.
G:4;TKL:19;TFL:1.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0
LB:#28 JERMAINE BROWN 6-1; 195 R/FR.
G:5;TKL:17;TFL:2.5;SCK:1.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0
LB:#33 KIRKLAND JOSEPH 6-0; 215 SR.
G:3;TKL:5;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:1;BU:0
LB:#41 EMAN GARRISON 5-10; 187 FR.
G:4;TLK:1;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:1

S:#25 TKAI LLOYD 5-11; 180 SO.
G:5;TLK:28;TFL:1.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:2;BU:2;INT:0
S:#32 MYLES HEARD 5-9; 208 SO.
G:3;TLK:22;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:2;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:1
S:#27 JATERIOUS EVANS 6-1; 190 SO.
G:5;TLK:17;TFL:1.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:1;INT:0
S:#34 GAVIN ROLAND 5-11; 195 SR.
G:4;TLK:10;TFL:0.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:1;BU:0;INT:0
S:#7 JEREMIAH DAVIS 6-0; 180 JR.
G:1;TLK:10;TFL:0.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
S:#14 KRIS MCCUNE 6-2; 215 SO.
G:2;TLK:6;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
S:#14 KA'MAURY THOMPSON 6-0; 198 FR.
G:3;TLK:4;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
S:#1 ARETAVIOUS HENDRIX 6-1; 192 SR.
G:1;TLK:1;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:1
S:#43 SANDERS CRAWFORD IV 5-10; 180 R/FR.
G:1;TLK:0;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0

CB:#5 JEREMIAH WALKER 6-1; 176 FR.
G:5;TLK:12;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:1;INT:0
CB:#23 BRUCE HARMON 5-11; 181 SO.
G:4;TLK:10;TFL:0.5;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:2;INT:1
CB:#10 MYLES BROOKS 6-1; 185 SO.
G:4;TLK:10;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
CB:#4 WILLIE ROBERTS 5-10; 180 SO.
G:5;TLK:9;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:4;INT:0
CB:#31 CALEB LAWTON 5-11; 175 SR.
G:2;TLK:5;TFL:1.0;SCK:1.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:3;INT:0
CB:#30 JALON HUNTER 5-10; 170 FR.
G:3;TLK:3;TFL:1.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
CB:#38 EJ WILLIAMS 5-10; 172 FR.
G:4;TLK:1;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
CB:#30 NEHEMIAH MCINTOSH 5-10; 175 R/FR.
G:3;TLK:1;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0
CB:#36 ZACH NWACHUKWU 5-8; 186 R/FR.
G:1;TLK:1;TFL:0.0;SCK:0.0;FF:0;FR:0;QBH:0;BU:0;INT:0

Good insight Jack Purple. The two games I've watched had me alternating between absolute joy and complete frustration. Yes the defense looks better. But without significant improvements in the offense, we are barely a middle of the pack SLC squad. Maybe 4th place. If we don't beat Sam next year I think I'll choke myself. We have to get better.

I really do not believe he has the ability or talent to look at more than one receiver - especially on the left side

I get the deserved criticism of Self. However, the offensive line is key for me to whatever QB we have. Ward is a heck of a good running back. He rarely has anything resembling a gap to run through. So, we also have very little running game.

Two offensive linemen have played all five games. Throw in that we started a freshman TE Saturday that was playing his first college football game ever. Losing our center, Lapic, at the end of the WT game was huge. The offensive line has to become a unit. They haven't played together enough to accomplish that.

I'm not ready to throw Storm out. He was the OC on a D2 national championship team, so he has had success. I don't think we have a chance at offensive success until we get an experienced, quality front six regardless of who the OC is.

4460, what do you think?

SFA Jack Fanatic said:

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Jumping Jack Flash said:

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In my mind, the buck stops with the coaches. Play calling continues to be a mess.

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You got that right! And welcome to the Forums, Flash!

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Thank you. I've been a lurker forever and have never been motivated to join until last night. I have attended many games through the years and this one was strange. We won but I saw little celebration in the stands and between players. I'd say that the scoreboard had us winning but the game didn't. I'm still a big fan of Carthel and think he can get the job done. He's just got to utilize more of his players and be more dynamic with the play calling, IMO.

Jumping Jack Flash said:

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I'm still a big fan of Carthel and think he can get the job done. He's just got to utilize more of his players and be more dynamic with the play calling, IMO.

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I'm with you on both counts. Carthel is a great motivator. But one can't motivate a bunch of grapes into becoming wine.

(That's my entry into the 'Quote of the Day' contest, Nacluth. Am I a winner?)

And I'd also like to get 4460's take on the game and on Self.

ASU's head coach is just a tad miffed at his special teams play, as he should be. He doesn't specifically say so, but he thinks they should have won the game. (And he's probably right.)


https://www.gosanangelo.com/story/sports/college/angelo-state/football/2020/10/17/angelo-state-puts-up-fight-road-against-d-stephen-f-austin/3695397001/

I think it was a lackluster performance by the whole team. It seems like we couldn't put it together for an extended amount of time like we should when playing down in opponent size.. I feel this was evident on the first possession when we couldn't even punch it in with our huge OL.. We will get there but when you have a big play at the first of the game like that kick return and then come out with 0 pts and then your D let's them out of the hole.. You don't have that killer mentality yet.. we might of been a little over confident not really sure..Defense still having some issues of getting off the field after 3rd down...Safety play was better with Myles and Davis back.. Seems like when D wants to turn it on they can but they just don't do it on 3rd down enough.. Guys we are still really young and are going to be really salty.. Once Stoner gets 35-40 lbs on #3 he will be a NFL draft prospect.. He is way quick and gets off the ball fast.. He seems to be the vocal leader of the D likewise.. Marjie played more this game and is getting better.. Big Carl is coming along and was in on more run situations.

I think ASU defense was giving Tre problems in that he didn't know where they were coming from and they disguised coverages really well.. Their 2 safeties were SR's with lots of experience. I saw more than a few times if he would of read his progressions then one of the WRs were always coming under across the middle and would be wide open.. Yes that would probably only be a 6-8 yd completion but if the reciever breaks a tackle then he is off to the races.. ASU was very well coached and it shows you that depth is where it is all at.. When the game started getting late we could impose our will a little more especially on D..Same kinda thing we face when we play the bigger boys.. We need to go recruit Tre some competition this year.. He will welcome it and it will help get him better.. He is still our leader and will work on his mistakes harder than anyone I can promise you that..ACU is the real test to me on how our team has progressed.. Bigger stage in Arlington and the WOrld Series next door will create a buzz.. I feel we will be really healthy by that time and all hands will be on deck.. no excuses we are playing someone our size.. Coaches are gonna have our boyz Jacked up to play..

You are spot on about the OL 76.. it all starts there and Ward is a heck of a RB but never has room to run.. 2 true soph and 1 true Fr were in the middle of the line..That true for us a beast too..Them jumping off sides 2 times in a row shows you mentally they weren't into the game at that point in time..which isn't good.. We are young and the line is so much better and next year they will be leading our team..