PurpleOut said:

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TallTexan said:

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I still want to know what the hell that tech to end it was for.

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That was the correct call unfortunately. Tenzeno or whoever it was went after the ball when Tarleton was running the baseline. Have to give them that space.

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A defensive player can't touch the ball or the offensive player when they're still out of bounds on a thrown in. It was the right cal, but it should have just been overlooked in that situation with 2 seconds left. Just let the d*** game end.

I am not even a 1/10 excited about the WAC Tourney in Vegas this year as I was before the season began.. I don't see us in the NCAA Tourney this year which is what our goal is..

Jacks4460 said:

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I am not even a 1/10 excited about the WAC Tourney in Vegas this year as I was before the season began.. I don't see us in the NCAA Tourney this year which is what our goal is..

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I'm starting to feel that way, too. I already have a room reservation, and I really want to go to Vegas to support the Ladyjacks, but it will be hard for me to make that expensive journey if things continue the way they're going with the men.

SFA Jack Fanatic said:

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PurpleOut said:

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TallTexan said:

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I still want to know what the hell that tech to end it was for.

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That was the correct call unfortunately. Tenzeno or whoever it was went after the ball when Tarleton was running the baseline. Have to give them that space.

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A defensive player can't touch the ball or the offensive player when they're still out of bounds on a thrown in. It was the right cal, but it should have just been overlooked in that situation with 2 seconds left. Just let the d*** game end.

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Granted we're not working with the best camerawork in the biz here, but it appeared that our player only touched it once the defender had initiated a pass.

Not really our guys fault that Tarleton was attempting to pass it nearly directly out of bounds.

PurpleOut said:

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A thought I had this morning, for such an aggressive team…this season we don't seem to be "the aggressor" compared to our components. I don't see a ton of communication and leadership from guys like Kachelries and Kensmil. And I don't see the swagger that we always saw from the likes of Kevon/Johnson/Ware. The only players I see show emotions are Jossell and Solomon.

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I feel like Calvin has started to step into more of a leadership type role. Heck he's even started bringing the ball down if we're going too slow. We definitely have the guys, we've just got to get them playing like a cohesive team rather than a group of individuals.

I'm not terribly worried tbh. This team(& most), will probably start to peak around mid feb. We just had a 3 week break followed by two games in 3 days againt two of the most physical defenses in our league. Not much you can work on in that timespan bc you can't really run a full practice without destroying your legs.

Rust is going to be expected and we're working in a lot of new role players too. And the next few weeks are no picnic, our next longer than a 3 day break is Jan 30th. Survive and Advance mode until feb. Try to get to Valentine's day with everyone healthy and without losing too many headscratchers and we'll be in a good spot to peak at the right time.

No-look said:

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Now that I've slept on it, it was a combination of things. The biggest being turnovers followed by difference in free throws. Which can be fixed. Especially the turnovers. On to the next one

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The turnovers. I agree. And untimely turnovers.

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All is not lost. We entered a tough venue and dominated for the first 18 minutes of the game. Tarleton is very well coached and is a nightmare for opponents because of their aggressive defense which creates turnovers and leads to easy buckets. Their guards are outstanding and consistently beat their defender. I'm still wondering how we couldn't dominate inside with Kensmil when we had the height and size advantage. As I look back, they took us out of our normal offense because of the defensive pressure on David. The guy was hounded for every minute he was on the court. I would hope the next time we play them we will have devised a way to get the ball up the court quicker. Anyway, I'm rambling. My main point is that these type of tough games will help us in the end. We were never going to get an at large bid to the tournament. We will have to win the tournament, and this type of game will help us in the end. Sometimes you have to be shown your weaknesses early in the season so that corrections can be made. Let's see if we can make improvements such as not committing so many careless fouls that put our opponents in the bonus early. I believe we have a superior team and will win the WAC tournament.

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Well said, Rev. Uplifting comments.

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RedRiverLa said:

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FT line the difference. Outscored by 15 pts at the FT line.

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This

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Well they also had 13 more attempts.

Still, shooting 83% vs 61% in a game that was tied at the end of regulation will cost you.

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Yes, and that was the difference, but even if we had finished 70% at the line we would have won in reg despite the difference in attempts

According to NCAA stats, we are 349/350 in turnovers per game.

We are also 313/350 in FT percentage.

Yay!

If there's one critique to Keller as that consistently we have not taken care of the ball and struggled with fundamentals when compared to Danny to Brad coached teams.
Kyle is by far the best recruiter our of the 3 and it's not even close. That's how we beat Duke and nearly beat Kansas was because we have top talent on our team. If our team now played with the discipline and aggressiveness of Brad's teams we would literally be undefeated right now.

I totally agree that the team lacks discipline. This is evidenced by careless fouls away from the basket, unguarded back door layups, and risky entry passes. Is this possible to address mid-season? I don't know the answer, but 350th in turnovers is not acceptable. Why is Solomon bringing the ball up the court in traffic? Sometimes it is necessary, but those are rare occasions. Why is Nana moving on just about every screen he sets? Maybe coaches are scared of a mutiny if they require strict discipline. This business about not practicing free throws is for the birds. I'm obviously being critical without speaking of all the good things Coach Keller does, but there is always room for improvement.


Who can help jump start our team when we these periods of sloppy play that have occurred in most of our games?

I noticed that Shamir Bogues is a defensive nightmare who is not featured in the offensive scheme of Tarleton. However, he could be their most valuable player because of the havoc he creates. He took us out of our offensive set, and we couldn't get into a rhythm other than Nigel during the first half. Bogues doesn't appear to be a natural shooter, but he doesn't need to be. He can definitively make a layup. I look at our roster and see someone with great athleticism that is being under utilized, and that is Tezeno. Is he our Shamir Bogues?

I haven't seen much from Tezeno yet. He seems quick, but that's like saying Jovan is tall. If he could be our best on ball defender then we would probably see him before Willis.

I definitely want to see more of him, and I hope that he develops into something great, but I doubt we see much of him before next year.

MasterAxe said:

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According to NCAA stats, we are 349/350 in turnovers per game.

We are also 313/350 in FT percentage.

Yay!

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Master where did you find the FT percentage stats?

It's something we've harped on for years here in the Sawmill. It takes very good point play to win consistently. Pinkney was the best point in almost a generation now. He was always on, and we always won.

David can be a beast just like Canete could at times. But on his poor performing games the team suffers. Don't get me wrong, I love David, but as good as Kensmil and Solomon are, the whole offense needs direction. Like every year, it has to be a focus for development.

We have a lot of talent and we have a lot of learning to do. This is a fun team, and I'll continue showing up at all the games because these guys are winners, but they have to shake this one off.

Sports-reference.com has all basketball stats. Though here is has us 322nd. :/

Rev007 said:

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Who can help jump start our team when we these periods of sloppy play that have occurred in most of our games?

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I think Jossell could probably fill the roll of 1st season Shannon off the bench as a scoring threat.

We also ran a few sets in one game, I can't remember which, running set plays with 2 bigs that worked pretty well. I'd like to see us work in some with Gavin/Day Day. Those two could just absolutely destroy WAC teams on the offensive end in the paint.

And if it's working, then you can kick it out to the shooters if opponents try to double in the lane.

nacluth said:

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Sports-reference.com has all basketball stats. Though here is has us 322nd. :/

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Thanks. This is awesome data.

Ok, so some data. If we shoot 70.74% every night(NCAA Median), here's the results:

Losses turned to wins:

• Northwestern St 2019
• Tarleton
• Lamar 2021

Wins turned to losses:

• SW Assembly
• Northeastern St
  

Way less difference than I thought. That said, it doesn't account for games that we let opponents back into or games that we couldn't get back into bc of free throws. But I have no objective way to measure that with the stats available.

Across the 164 games of Keller's tenure, opponents had a better free throw percentage than us 53% of the time(88 games) and we've had the better free throw percentage 47% of the time(76 games).

Nice stat work

PurpleOut said:

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Yeah the biggest difference probably isn't actually winning/losing, but more so how close the games are when they shouldn't be.

This team currently could be very good with even a marginal improvement on the turnovers and FT. Which is frustrating.

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Ya our average turnover for the Keller era is 15 per game. 10 more per game is a killer.

I wish there was a way to better calculate the effect of FTs made on games. That said, it never hurts to make more of them. This is our worst FT team yet. However, the others were much closer to CBB average.

Taking a look at this team vs past SFA teams:

Pros:

• Matches top SFA teams in FG %
• Best 3 pt shooting team so far
• 2nd best Assists(All 3 years of DK at point are up)
• Blocks up Significantly
• Lowest fouls per game
• Lowest Opp 3 pt %

Cons:

• -4 in scoring vs past 2 years
• Opponents +4 in scoring vs 2019 team
• Worst FT percentage by 5% off average
• Worst Turnovers, but not unfixably bad
• Opponent rebounds up per game(not unfixable)
• Opponent Steals up
• Turnovers forced, mid
• Forcing fewer opp fouls

Honestly, I think most of these are due to turnovers. We score off turnovers. We force opponent fouls off turnovers. When we're giving up more turnovers than normal, it's not going to look as good for us.

Clean up our passing some, get our head in the game on violations(3 sec, 10 sec, etc) and we should be pretty decent. I don't know what's causing the FTs, but we're leaving 27 points on the table if we don't get back to SFA average.

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I'm not sure about Tezeno, but he looks the part (just like Jovan..haha). Diego is only going to be in the game because he has a nice shot with a quick release. I don't know the name of the other freshman guard (Cofer?), but he's a possibility to come in the game and create havoc. Maybe he can handle the ball. David is worn out at the end of the game because of the demands on him.

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Might be time to bite the bullet and let one of the other PGs learn on the fly with 10-15 minutes a game at point.