2023-2024 Lumberjack Basketball

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ServiceJack88
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In reply to SCH890 • 1:24p, 3/21/24
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Honestly, If this is because Keller lost the locker room due to saying something during the season and the players want out because of this..

I'm kind of pissed.. as a fan how does one be happy about our team with this much turnover. Especially opening up the NIL shop near late season.. Sure that goes to the student. I'm glad I didn't buy a T-Shirt Jersey or something because everyone is now gone.


It's beyond that.
Anyway you can shine more details instead of being vague?


Somethings have already been said in this thread but they've been blown off. But unfortunately this isn't the place to share the rest. Not appropriate.
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In reply to ServiceJack88 • 1:46p, 3/21/24
ServiceJack88 said:
SCH890 said:
ServiceJack88 said:
SCH890 said:
Honestly, If this is because Keller lost the locker room due to saying something during the season and the players want out because of this..

I'm kind of pissed.. as a fan how does one be happy about our team with this much turnover. Especially opening up the NIL shop near late season.. Sure that goes to the student. I'm glad I didn't buy a T-Shirt Jersey or something because everyone is now gone.


It's beyond that.
Anyway you can shine more details instead of being vague?


Somethings have already been said in this thread but they've been blown off. But unfortunately this isn't the place to share the rest. Not appropriate.
Well if its really that bad... then I don't think we need Keller as a coach anymore... Hopefully a one off.. Unless this has been done in the past.
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2:28p, 3/21/24
Southland Conference 2.0 coming soon …..
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
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3:01p, 3/21/24
Ivey leaves for the FBS and the FCS goes bust.
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4:14p, 3/21/24
I'm on my third bag of popcorn while reading the recent posts in this thread.
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4:31p, 3/21/24
The number of MBB insiders, ESP practicioners, and/or crystal ball owners that we suddenly have in the WRJ Forum is impressive!
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4:38p, 3/21/24
Over 665 names in the portal and the tourney just started.
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5:51p, 3/21/24
So how much longer is SFAs administration going to let this go on? SFAs flagship men's basketball program has had practically the whole basketball team walk out on the current coach. I have know idea what happened and probably never will but I can't see Coach K surviving this. I have alway backed Coach K but I think his time has passed and it is time to move on.



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6:07p, 3/21/24
I recall seeing data after the '22-'23 season showing the percentage of players who entered the portal and who ended up on the outside looking in, not being offered by any school, and out of basketball completely. Can anyone provide that number, or an approximation thereof? The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
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6:18p, 3/21/24
Didn't Keller have locker room issues in his 2nd or 3rd season?
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In reply to sfajack05 • 6:26p, 3/21/24
He's had locker room issues almost every year.
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6:28p, 3/21/24
Keller may or may not be the issue. Could be other issues. I always give coaches the benefit of the doubt until proven differently.
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In reply to No-look • 6:41p, 3/21/24
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Keller may or may not be the issue. Could be other issues. I always give coaches the benefit of the doubt until proven differently.
He's got a nice 8-year streak of getting the benefit of the doubt it seems.
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In reply to SFA Jack Fanatic • 6:47p, 3/21/24
SFA Jack Fanatic said:
I recall seeing data after the '22-'23 season showing the percentage of players who entered the portal and who ended up on the outside looking in, not being offered by any school, and out of basketball completely. Can anyone provide that number, or an approximation thereof? The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
2022-23
  • ENTERED
    1,122
  • COMMITTED
    532 47%

  • WITHDRAWN
    151 34%

2021-22
  • ENTERED
    869
  • COMMITTED
    661 76%

  • WITHDRAWN
    121 38%

2020-2021
  • ENTERED
    466
  • COMMITTED
    430 92%

  • WITHDRAWN
    10 21%


No means an exact number but best website I could find (on3.com)
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7:03p, 3/21/24
William R Johnson Coliseum just entered the tranfer portal.
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In reply to SCH890 • 7:33p, 3/21/24
Makes me wonder how many of the "withdrawn" players were not welcomed back home with open arms...
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7:43p, 3/21/24
Historically, most of Keller's good teams and good players on those teams didn't walk out on him. The exception in my mind is T.J. Holyfield. Keller knows he can't win with the current team. It has to be dismantled. This current below expectations team reminds me of the 2018-2019 team that went 14-16. Kevon, Comeaux, and Bain stayed. Keller hit the jackpot with the juco recruits and his teams were exceptional the following two years.
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In reply to Rev007 • 7:51p, 3/21/24
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Historically, most of Keller's good teams and good players on those teams didn't walk out on him. The exception in my mind is T.J. Holyfield. Keller knows he can't win with the current team. It has to be dismantled. This current below expectations team reminds me of the 2018-2019 team that went 14-16. Kevon, Comeau, and Bain stayed. Keller hit the jackpot with the juco recruits and his teams were exceptional the following two years.
So the answer is hoping that we hit the jackpot each year? Not actually coaching or running a good program?

Brb, reminds me I need to go play the lotto, maybe I'll hit the jackpot so I can give SFA more money.
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In reply to JHard • 7:54p, 3/21/24
It's definitely a hope and a prayer, but something less painful than utter despair.
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7:59p, 3/21/24
Hayman has stated that he's staying at SFA.
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In reply to Rev007 • 8:06p, 3/21/24
Who recruited this current team? The man in the moon?
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In reply to SFA Jack Fanatic • 8:06p, 3/21/24
God bless loyalty
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In reply to SFA Jack Fanatic • 8:08p, 3/21/24
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Hayman has stated that he's staying at SFA.
Going to go buy that Hayman shirt.
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In reply to Rev007 • 8:09p, 3/21/24
It's money not loyalty
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In reply to ServiceJack88 • 8:09p, 3/21/24
I'm trying to be glass half full. If Keller isn't going to resign or be bought out, then we should hope for the best.

To answer your question, I don't know who does the recruiting, but their success rate needs to improve.
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8:13p, 3/21/24


Matt!!!! Hell yeah.
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In reply to Rev007 • 8:15p, 3/21/24
Rev007 said:
I'm trying to be glass half full. If Keller isn't going to resign or be bought out, then we should hope for the best.

To answer your question, I don't know who does the recruiting, but their success rate needs to improve.


While I'm not excited about it, this is our situation for atleast two years.

So might as well make the best of it even if the car is out of gas & up on blocks at the moment.

These teams are almost good. A few injuries? Striking out on a true center, losing games by 2 over and over.

I'm hopeful they can figure it out even if I'm not confident. But hey, it's what we're stuck with unless one of y'all wins the Powerball.
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In reply to ServiceJack88 • 8:17p, 3/21/24
ServiceJack88 said:
It's money not loyalty


Welcome to college athletics in 2024. Of course he got some more NIL money. And all of your past Lumberjack heroes would've done the same if given the option.

I'd say we should be thankful that we've got folks committed to the program and trying to make NIL work for it.
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8:19p, 3/21/24
Went to go buy that Hayman shirt, but he's not on the SFA NIL store. Oh well. Hope he does get paid. I'll start the Jossell fund with $20.
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In reply to TallTexan • 8:23p, 3/21/24
TallTexan said:
Rev007 said:
I'm trying to be glass half full. If Keller isn't going to resign or be bought out, then we should hope for the best.

To answer your question, I don't know who does the recruiting, but their success rate needs to improve.


While I'm not excited about it, this is our situation for atleast two years.

So might as well make the best of it even if the car is out of gas & up on blocks at the moment.

These teams are almost good. A few injuries? Striking out on a true center, losing games by 2 over and over.

I'm hopeful they can figure it out even if I'm not confident. But hey, it's what we're stuck with unless one of y'all wins the Powerball.


Thanks Texan, for the first LEVEL-HEADED AND SENSIBLE comment I've seen on here in the last two days!
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9:37p, 3/21/24
Hayman staying in Nacogdoches. Axe 'Em Jacks
Axe 'Em Jacks - Class of 85'
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In reply to SFA Jack Fanatic • 10:03p, 3/21/24
SFA Jack Fanatic said:
TallTexan said:
Rev007 said:
I'm trying to be glass half full. If Keller isn't going to resign or be bought out, then we should hope for the best.

To answer your question, I don't know who does the recruiting, but their success rate needs to improve.


While I'm not excited about it, this is our situation for atleast two years.

So might as well make the best of it even if the car is out of gas & up on blocks at the moment.

These teams are almost good. A few injuries? Striking out on a true center, losing games by 2 over and over.

I'm hopeful they can figure it out even if I'm not confident. But hey, it's what we're stuck with unless one of y'all wins the Powerball.


Thanks Texan, for the first LEVEL-HEADED AND SENSIBLE comment I've seen on here in the last two days!
Hey now. All I want is a new identity in offense and defense. What Keller is trying to push with this heavy press style did not work, and also, we looked super lost on Offense when a team went Zone.

If something is broken, fix it. If it's working great, keep at it. But so many times it did not work.
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In reply to Buckets • 8:42a, 3/22/24
Buckets said:
ServiceJack88 said:
It's money not loyalty


Welcome to college athletics in 2024. Of course he got some more NIL money. And all of your past Lumberjack heroes would've done the same if given the option.

I'd say we should be thankful that we've got folks committed to the program and trying to make NIL work for it.


I have absolutely no problem with Hayman getting some great NIL out of this. Let's get every student athlete some. Including you.
But let's just honestly call a spade a spade. He didn't just stay to stay.
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8:56a, 3/22/24
One of the new truths about the wide open portal and the new NIL rules is that no one stays to just stay. Though I bet few athletes did in the past either. Everyone has always tried to get the best for themselves out of their collegiate experience.

If the implication is now he's staying because he's getting paid to put up with something that he wouldn't for free, then it's now called a job.

I'm curious if anyone knows (not specifically for Hayman) but what level of cash it takes to keep someone at a SFA level school: $10K? 25K? 50K? More?

Also, can student athletes even ask around about potential NIL deals legally without entering the portal? Are we seeing so many hit the portal just to see if they can be paid? If we buy more student-athletes for our team, does that make it more professional?
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In reply to nacluth • 9:01a, 3/22/24
How much NIL money does SFA have for men's basketball for the past year and the up coming year? Also, how does this compare to other WAC and Southland teams?
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